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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling
Posted by: Huw Burford-Taylor
Date/Time: 08/01/19 09:17:00

So, the government wargamed a no deal brexit yesterday by simulating traffic jams likely to be caused. They used 89 trucks to replicate the *checks notes* 5,000 trucks a day that transit Dover, super, just fine, who said Grayling couldn't organise a traffic jam on a motorway? Oh. Anyway I think most people would accept a no deal brexit would cause queues on adjacent roads, (honourable exception RG, sit down) potentially causing gridlock in Kent, but just how bad could it be?

Well here’s a report last year from Imperial College last year:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-43318258

Today another secret study carried out by UCL on behalf of the Department For Transport came to light.

https://www.ft.com/content/d05498f6-1299-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e

The findings of this study are a touch more incendiary. The key point is that extra checks of up to 40 seconds per truck don’t result in extra queues. But above that there would be an exponential spike on delays. With checks of 70 seconds per truck there would be queues of six days.

If delays reach 70 seconds per truck, a queue of between 1,200 and 2,724 heavy goods vehicles is expected, leading to tailbacks taking six days. “[The queue] starts Monday evening and ends by Saturday noon,” according to the UCL analysis for the DFT. If the checks go up to just 80 seconds the result would simply be “no recovery.” “‘No recovery’ would mean the whole country is in a traffic jam,” one official said. Gosh.

The DFT are attempting to handwave this away by stating that this is only one piece of research (being as it was commissioned by the arch enemies of the DFT, the, er, *checks notes again* DFT) so move along nothing to see here etc. etc. etc.

But it's all completely fine because I clearly remember the bus that said "Vote leave, cause national gridlock and turn Kent into a carpark." So people knew what they were voting for.


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Stockpiling03/01/19 22:44:00 Stewart Jones
   Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 07:43:00 Paul Fisher
      Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 07:45:00 Stewart Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 08:41:00 Paul Fisher
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 09:28:00 Mark Evans
      Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 09:09:00 John Whitworth
         Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 09:27:00 Alan Clark
      Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 09:27:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 09:36:00 Paul Fisher
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 09:52:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 10:17:00 Ken Munn
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 10:20:00 Paul Fisher
                     Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 10:32:00 John Whitworth
                        Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 10:50:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 10:58:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 11:01:00 Janice Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 11:04:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 11:08:00 Janice Evans
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 11:10:00 Janice Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 11:24:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 11:28:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 11:34:00 Janice Evans
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 13:10:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 13:34:00 Janice Evans
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                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 14:20:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 15:03:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 14:56:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                         Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 15:58:00 John Whitworth
                                                            Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 16:04:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                               A retraction. 05/01/19 13:32:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                  Re:A retraction. 05/01/19 14:00:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling05/01/19 13:16:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
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               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 11:57:00 Paul Fisher
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                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 12:43:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 13:08:00 Loraine Pemberton
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                              Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 14:44:00 Loraine Pemberton
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                        Re:Stockpiling05/01/19 13:01:00 Philippa Bond
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                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 13:13:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
   Re:Stockpiling04/01/19 12:49:00 Bernard Allen
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                                                         Re:Re:Re:Stockpiling06/01/19 23:42:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
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