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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 31/01/17 11:27:00

Jeremy Corbyn has built a career on taking virtue signalling principled stands and there is no doubt that is exactly what he will do here. He has this luxury because he will never be in a position of power and influence outside of the Labour party. Theresa May is in a very different situation in which she has to do things that she will privately find unpalatable and humiliating but needs to do so because it is the national interest.

When Trump's administration first raised the possibility of inviting her as the first foreign government leader to visit the White House the decision to accept would have been taken in concert with our European allies. Whatever is happening with Brexit there is a clear commonality of interest on defence and this is probably the most unsettled time since the mid-eighties. Germany and France will almost certainly have encouraged her to go to Washington and put NATO top of the agenda.

We are at a critical point in American policy formulation. The overwhelming majority of their military and diplomatic establishment are four square behind NATO and see it at the core of their defence strategy. The new President may or not be compromised by Russia but is certainly very favourably disposed to them and is avowedly isolationist.

Our diplomats and military were probably advised strongly by the pro-NATO faction in the States to accept the invitation. The trip seems to have limited success in shifting Trump's position which was its primary aim. There is no way that the British Government would have issued an invitation for Trump to come on a state visit. This was a demand from Trump and apparently came with a series of details riders about what he would like to happen on the trip.

The overwhelming urge must have been to tell him to take a running jump but there really is no choice to accept this demand. This is something that the narcissistic clown who effective controls most of our defence capability deems to be of top importance. There is no doubt were he to be snubbed the payback would be an immediate policy change on America's commitment to NATO. This would be followed by annexation of the Baltic States by Russia and a concerted attempt to bring the rest of Eastern Europe back under its thrall.

Pathetic and shameful this invitation certainly is but avoidable it isn't.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
We are Wormtongue26/01/17 09:43:00 David Roberts
   Re:We are Wormtongue26/01/17 09:47:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:We are Wormtongue26/01/17 09:49:00 Colin Jordan
      Re:Re:We are Wormtongue26/01/17 12:30:00 Curzon Tussaud
         Re:Re:Re:We are Wormtongue26/01/17 22:08:00 Keith Iddon
   I demand another US election as David Roberts  objects !27/01/17 00:35:00 Dennis Brogan
   Re:We are Wormtongue27/01/17 08:07:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:We are Wormtongue27/01/17 09:37:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:We are Wormtongue28/01/17 13:13:00 Alan Clark
            Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!28/01/17 20:47:00 Dennis Brogan
               Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!28/01/17 21:31:00 David Roberts
                  Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!29/01/17 12:53:00 Vanessa Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!29/01/17 13:09:00 Adrian Irving
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!29/01/17 13:55:00 Phil Kay
                           He means what he said29/01/17 14:49:00 David McLoughlin
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!29/01/17 14:52:00 Alan Clark
                              Democracy - great?29/01/17 19:00:00 John Whitworth
                                 Re:Democracy - great?31/01/17 10:38:00 Paul Fisher
                                    Re:Democracy - great?31/01/17 11:12:00 John Whitworth
                                       Re:Re:Democracy - great?31/01/17 11:25:00 Paul Fisher
                                          Re:Re:Re:Democracy - great?31/01/17 16:11:00 Ian Fillingham
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Democracy - great?31/01/17 17:15:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Democracy - great?01/02/17 11:10:00 John Whitworth
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!31/01/17 10:03:00 Vanessa Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!31/01/17 11:27:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!31/01/17 12:36:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!31/01/17 11:49:00 Adrian Irving
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!31/01/17 12:03:00 Penelope Crocker
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alan Clark ! Brexit , Trump , Democracy great !!!31/01/17 18:31:00 Carl Wynne
               Denis - your Trump is a great child!!!30/01/17 22:45:00 Alan Clark
                  Re:Denis - your Trump is a great child!!!31/01/17 11:32:00 Penelope Crocker
                     Re:Re:  Well that petition is now at 1,706,000 and still going31/01/17 17:49:00 Philippa Bond
                        A democratic thrashing..31/01/17 18:09:00 Michael Brown
                           Re:A democratic thrashing..31/01/17 18:37:00 Vanessa Smith
   Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !31/01/17 21:41:00 Dennis Brogan
      Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !31/01/17 21:54:00 Michael Brown
         Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 07:50:00 David McLoughlin
            Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 08:09:00 Penelope Crocker
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 09:17:00 Keith Iddon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 09:25:00 Michael Brown
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 09:58:00 Penelope Crocker
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 11:15:00 Vanessa Smith
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 11:53:00 Michael Brown
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 13:38:00 Brian Coyle
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 15:24:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 15:45:00 Alan Clark
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 15:56:00 Brian Coyle
                           Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 15:54:00 John Whitworth
                              Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 16:00:00 Brian Coyle
                                 Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 16:06:00 John Whitworth
                                    Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 16:09:00 Alan Clark
                                    Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 19:19:00 Brian Coyle
                                       Peace at last..01/02/17 21:41:00 Michael Brown
                                          Peace?02/02/17 09:37:00 John Whitworth
                                             Re:Peace?02/02/17 10:01:00 Michael Brown
                                                Re:Re:Peace?02/02/17 11:53:00 Michael Brown
                                                   Re:Peace?03/02/17 07:22:00 John Whitworth
                                                Re:Peace?03/02/17 07:12:00 John Whitworth
                                       Re:Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !03/02/17 08:06:00 Alan Clark
                                    Re:Re:Trump , it was all in his manifesto , and they voted for him !01/02/17 21:45:00 Richard Greenhough

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