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Topic: Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year
Posted by: Claire Moran
Date/Time: 07/12/15 13:08:00

Daily Politics today said 'direction of travel' statement expected before the end of the year.  This almost certainly means they will recommend Heathrow subject to them being able to prove they can commit to noise/air pollution quality targets.   Unless the pollution targets are changed to allow more leeway, Heathrow cannot prove it can for the next few years at least.   It says it will be able to comply in the future (pigs and flying come to mind) but that is a lot different from actually proving it can. It all depends how much the government pretends it believes them and allows it to go ahead saying it won't allow it to be operational if it can't meet the targets when it is built - which is a joke as once all that money has been spent they will decide that 'economic' necessity overrules legal commitment to air quality etc - at which point they will be subject to legal challenges.

But there are other problems too - Heathrow refuses to ban night flights, which was a stipulation of the Davies report - indeed the CEO wants to increase night flights to all night and more frequent night flights - and a commitment to no fourth runway was also a stipulation.  Heathrow will want to lobby for a fourth runway even before the third is built, so they have fudged this stupulation of Davies' by saying that will be a decision by the government at the time.  So there will almost certainly be a fourth runway if the third goes ahead. 

But there are still two other big issues.  Firstly,  no one - neither the government nor Heathrow - wants to pay for the necessary road and rail infrastructure that an expanded airport will need,  with estimates ranging from the cost of that at £6 bn to £20 bn - it will almost certainly be at the higher end. 

And secondly, of course,  Justine Greening, Boris, Zac and many other influential ministers are strongly opposed to Heathrow, with likely resignations if a decision is made to go ahead.   So of course the government will fudge for as long as possible. 


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PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runay decision until next year07/12/15 11:30:00 Claudia Jachtmann
   Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runay decision until next year07/12/15 11:31:00 Claudia Jachtmann
      Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runay decision until next year07/12/15 11:34:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runay decision until next year07/12/15 11:46:00 John Connelly
            Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year07/12/15 12:10:00 Claudia Jachtmann
            Re: 'Clear direction' on Heathrow by end of the year07/12/15 12:13:00 Ian Wylie
               Re:Re: 'Clear direction' on Heathrow by end of the year07/12/15 12:22:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                  Decision on Heathrow expansion delayed by air quality concerns07/12/15 12:42:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                  Re:Re:Re: 'Clear direction' on Heathrow by end of the year07/12/15 12:48:00 Rima Jones
   Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year07/12/15 12:49:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year07/12/15 12:59:00 Rima Jones
      Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year07/12/15 13:01:00 Brian May
         Heathrow crash risk ‘raised by third runway’07/12/15 13:07:00 Claudia Jachtmann
            Re:Heathrow crash risk ‘raised by third runway’ - pas de merde, Sherlock07/12/15 15:37:00 Andy Rooney
      Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year07/12/15 13:08:00 Claire Moran
         Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year07/12/15 13:38:00 Rima Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year07/12/15 20:39:00 Rima Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year07/12/15 21:04:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 10:15:00 David Grantley
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 11:34:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 12:10:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 12:20:00 Brian May
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 13:00:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 13:30:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 13:35:00 Carl Wynne
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 13:35:00 Tim Henderson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 13:47:00 Brian May
                                       Well, well, well, Mr Bingham works "100 yards away from the runway at Heathrow", in '06 anyway:-08/12/15 13:57:00 Brian May
                                          Re:Well, well, well, Mr Bingham works "100 yards away from the runway at Heathrow", in '06 anyway:-08/12/15 14:28:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 13:55:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 14:34:00 Jonathan Bingham
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 14:02:00 Dave Robertson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 14:36:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 14:49:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 15:13:00 Brian May
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 15:47:00 Brian May
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 15:50:00 Will Watson
                                       Heathrow expansion: Risk of plane crash "was hidden by airport panel" 08/12/15 16:17:00 Brian May
                                          Re:Heathrow expansion: Risk of plane crash "was hidden by airport panel" 08/12/15 17:42:00 Dave Robertson
                                             Re:Re:Heathrow expansion: Risk of plane crash "was hidden by airport panel" 08/12/15 18:10:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Risk of plane crash "was hidden by airport panel" - shoots itself in the foot.09/12/15 10:53:00 Ken Munn
                                                   Re:Risk of plane crash "was hidden by airport panel" - shoots itself in the foot.09/12/15 12:08:00 Claire Moran
                                                   Re:Risk of plane crash "was hidden by airport panel" - shoots itself in the foot.09/12/15 19:51:00 Brian May
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 17:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year08/12/15 16:51:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 11:54:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 12:23:00 David Cuss
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 13:43:00 Dave Robertson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 12:32:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 12:38:00 David Cuss
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 13:11:00 Michael Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 13:23:00 Peter Millman
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 13:35:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 13:53:00 David Cuss
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 13:57:00 Carl Wynne
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 13:42:00 David Cuss
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 14:05:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 14:12:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 14:13:00 Julian Pavey
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 14:44:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 14:53:00 Brian May
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 15:41:00 Peter Millman
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 16:07:00 David Cuss
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 14:55:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 15:15:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 15:59:00 David Cuss
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 16:36:00 Will Watson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 16:55:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 17:39:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 18:41:00 Dave Robertson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 17:46:00 David Cuss
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 17:55:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 23:21:00 Ken Munn
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 16:58:00 Carl Wynne
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 17:18:00 Julian Pavey
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 17:33:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year09/12/15 18:12:00 Julian Pavey
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year10/12/15 07:39:00 Rima Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year10/12/15 09:57:00 Brian May
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:PM will use air quality at Heathrow to delay final runway decision until next year10/12/15 10:24:00 Claire Moran
                                                                              gov statement/press release 'Government confirms support for airport expansion in the south-east'10/12/15 22:20:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                                                                                 a reminder of the 3 short listed schemes 10/12/15 22:36:00 Claudia Jachtmann

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