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Topic: Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS
Posted by: Larry Stamford
Date/Time: 16/10/15 12:29:00

The problem with many of those against acupuncture is that it is deemed 'pre-scientific' - or even 'un-scientific' -

These opinions are based on perhaps more than a few assumptions. Firstly you seem to believe in a one size fits all model. Which is simply not the case. Western medicine works for some but not all. The same goes for alternative treatments. Each individual organism is entirely unique. I had this very discussion with a highly qualified doctor that pointed out the very same problem when it comes to any form of treatment.

Secondly, much of today's western medicine derives from a Newtonian-reductionist-materialist paradigm. This paradigm is outdated. Quantum physics paints a very different picture of the Universe than the mechanical one that Newton envisaged. The Quantum paradigm lends itself to a more inclusive, interconnected, and holistic world view. Physiologically speaking it recognizes the organism (and environment) to be one and the same. This is not the approach of western medicine for all it's benefits. It tends to be rather myopic in it's approach

Lastly, this view that we are smarter or less naive than we once were is based on a linear view of time. That we are slowly progressing toward some Universal crescendo. This too would appear to be untrue. Many ancient cultures could measure the movement of the stars and planets with more accuracy and less technology than we supposedly have now. The same goes for the building of age old structures that we still could not build now even with all our advances. Nothing in nature, and we are an expression of nature, moves in a linear manner. It is all cyclical.

You speak of it being unproven but there are many people the world over that have had little joy with western medicine and have had more success with treatments like acupuncture. Whether that can be replicated in a labratory is beside the point  - for whatever reason, for person A in a particular circumstance, it worked.


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Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 09:55:00 Larry Stamford
   Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 10:07:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 10:28:00 Rima Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 10:33:00 Andy Pease
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 10:39:00 Larry Stamford
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 10:55:00 Rima Jones
                  Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 12:04:00 John Whitworth
                     Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 12:57:00 Rima Jones
                        Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 13:34:00 John Whitworth
                           Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 15:33:00 Rima Jones
                              Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 16:50:00 John Whitworth
                                 Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS15/10/15 18:44:00 Rima Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 11:01:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 11:02:00 Philippa Bond
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 11:30:00 Andy Pease
         Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 21:28:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 14:41:00 Will Watson
   Re:Acupuncture on the NHS14/10/15 15:53:00 Jonathan Bingham
      Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More15/10/15 12:25:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More15/10/15 14:24:00 Will Watson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More15/10/15 14:56:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More15/10/15 15:19:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More15/10/15 15:20:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More15/10/15 19:40:00 Rima Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More16/10/15 09:16:00 Larry Stamford
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More16/10/15 10:14:00 Alastair Banton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More16/10/15 10:29:00 Rima Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More16/10/15 10:31:00 Rima Jones
                        acupuncture16/10/15 10:35:00 Jeffrey Cope
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More16/10/15 10:45:00 Rima Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More16/10/15 10:50:00 Paul Wright
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More16/10/15 10:53:00 Alastair Banton
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More16/10/15 10:55:00 Paul Wright
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More16/10/15 10:56:00 Will Watson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS - Knees - Childbirth & More16/10/15 12:08:00 Larry Stamford
               Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 11:01:00 John Whitworth
                  Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 11:45:00 Rima Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 12:08:00 Will Watson
                     Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 12:34:00 Larry Stamford
                  Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 12:29:00 Larry Stamford
                     Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 12:54:00 Will Watson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 13:05:00 Larry Stamford
                     Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 13:02:00 Rima Jones
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 13:06:00 Rima Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 13:07:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 13:16:00 Larry Stamford
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 13:40:00 Michael Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 13:51:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 15:05:00 Rima Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 15:15:00 Will Watson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 15:23:00 Michael Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 16:33:00 Rima Jones
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 16:38:00 Paul Wright
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 16:47:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 16:48:00 John Whitworth
                        Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 16:55:00 Alastair Banton
                           Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 17:00:00 Paul Wright
                              Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 17:12:00 John Whitworth
                                 Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 17:45:00 Paul Wright
                           Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 18:14:00 Jonathan Bingham
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 18:21:00 Paul Wright
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 18:56:00 Rima Jones
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 19:02:00 Michael Brown
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 19:04:00 Philippa Bond
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS16/10/15 21:18:00 Rima Jones
   Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 01:24:00 Stephen Pett
      Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 09:14:00 Alastair Banton
         Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 09:20:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 09:21:00 Larry Stamford
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 09:31:00 Alastair Banton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 09:42:00 Larry Stamford
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 10:03:00 Alastair Banton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 10:24:00 Larry Stamford
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 10:39:00 Will Watson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 10:42:00 Larry Stamford
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 10:51:00 Will Watson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 11:01:00 Michael Brown
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 11:20:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 11:44:00 bobby osborne
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 12:07:00 Michael Brown
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 17:04:00 Larry Stamford
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 17:51:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 10:03:00 Philippa Bond
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 11:38:00 Stuart Kerr
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 11:42:00 Rima Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 11:50:00 Stuart Kerr
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 11:41:00 Michael Brown
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 12:15:00 Rima Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 12:23:00 bobby osborne
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 13:12:00 Rima Jones
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 12:46:00 Carl Wynne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 13:00:00 Stephen Pett
                              BBC Website article: Why are placebos getting more effective?20/10/15 14:45:00 Will Watson
                                 Re:BBC Website article: Why are placebos getting more effective?20/10/15 14:57:00 Michael Brown
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 17:06:00 Larry Stamford
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 17:16:00 Larry Stamford
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 20:26:00 Rima Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 22:28:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 22:42:00 Larry Stamford
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 22:51:00 Larry Stamford
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 22:56:00 Larry Stamford
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 23:03:00 bobby osborne
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 23:17:00 Rima Jones
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 23:34:00 Julian Pavey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 23:56:00 Stephen Pett
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS20/10/15 23:58:00 Michael Brown
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 08:33:00 Stephen Pett
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 08:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:04:00 Larry Stamford
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:07:00 Larry Stamford
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:11:00 Larry Stamford
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:14:00 Larry Stamford
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:18:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:25:00 Larry Stamford
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:37:00 Georgina Flint
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:48:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:54:00 Georgina Flint
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:40:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:55:00 Larry Stamford
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 10:53:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 10:59:00 Larry Stamford
                                                                           Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 11:31:00 John Whitworth
                                                                              Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 12:10:00 bobby osborne
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 12:51:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 11:32:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:36:00 Will Watson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 09:51:00 Larry Stamford
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 10:37:00 Stephen Pett
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Acupuncture on the NHS21/10/15 11:04:00 Will Watson

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