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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 05/10/15 12:18:00

It is naive to think that any England coach could have gone against both the clubs and the RFU to get the rules about overseas players changed. Lancaster's successor will have to operate under the same restrictions.

If player numbers were the sole determinant of how well a national side does then England would have won every World Cup since inception. The problem with the English system is that it is very private school dominated and previously many of the most talented young players have had a range of career choices and not chosen rugby.

This has meant that the potential pool of professional players is much smaller than the raw numbers suggest. England can get lucky from time to time and have a generation which includes the likes of Wilkinson, Dawson,  Johnson and Dallaglio but this can't be taken as a given.

As well as the 'pig in the python' effect I mentioned earlier on the increased competitiveness of schools rugby is probably also having an impact. The top private schools have significantly increased the amount of rugby scholarships they give out in a quest to win national competitions. They have also poured resources in to coaching.

Elite rugby is becoming more and more concentrated in centres of excellence in about 20 schools across the country. There are obvious objections to this system but it does seem to be working at the moment in generating top quality talent.

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Come on England...03/10/15 10:31:00 R Rees Williams
   Re:Come on England...03/10/15 11:32:00 Ken Munn
      Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 20:54:00 R Rees Williams
         Re:Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 21:08:00 Julian Pavey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 22:03:00 Julian Pavey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 22:14:00 R Rees Williams
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 22:17:00 Julian Pavey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 23:23:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...04/10/15 09:16:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...04/10/15 09:35:00 Paul Pryce
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...04/10/15 10:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...04/10/15 11:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...04/10/15 12:47:00 Caroline Carney
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 08:23:00 Paul Wright
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 10:09:00 Francis Rowe
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 10:52:00 Ken Munn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:03:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:09:00 Richard Greenhough
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:16:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:23:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:36:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:47:00 Ken Munn
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:56:00 R Atterwill
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 12:02:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 12:18:00 Francis Rowe
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 12:44:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 13:40:00 Francis Rowe
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 13:46:00 Paul Wright
                                                                  England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201905/10/15 14:17:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                     Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201907/10/15 16:43:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                                     Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201907/10/15 17:25:00 R Rees Williams
                                                                        Re:Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201908/10/15 11:22:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201908/10/15 11:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201908/10/15 15:09:00 R Rees Williams
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201908/10/15 15:57:00 Francis Rowe
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 14:14:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 14:25:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 17:07:00 Ken Munn
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...07/10/15 17:59:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           If Lancaster goes...08/10/15 15:41:00 Ken Munn
                                                                              Re:If Lancaster goes...08/10/15 16:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:If Lancaster goes...09/10/15 18:47:00 Ken Munn
   Exit Sam Burgess05/11/15 17:50:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Exit Sam Burgess06/11/15 07:49:00 R Rees Williams
         Re:Re:Exit Sam Burgess06/11/15 08:27:00 Ken Munn
            Re:Re:Re:Exit Sam Burgess06/11/15 08:41:00 Andrew Cumming
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Exit Sam Burgess06/11/15 09:11:00 Michael Robinson
   Exit Stuart Lancaster11/11/15 13:07:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Exit Stuart Lancaster11/11/15 15:32:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:Exit Stuart Lancaster11/11/15 15:48:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Exit Stuart Lancaster11/11/15 16:02:00 Julian Pavey
   Re:Come on England...11/11/15 21:29:00 Ken Munn

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