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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...
Posted by: Michael Robinson
Date/Time: 05/10/15 11:03:00

"Unlike Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Ireland we don't have a squad packed with players at their absolute peak with bags of experience."

However England has almost 50 times the playing base of Australia, 13 times the playing base of Ireland and NZ and only S Africa comes close as England has only 3 times more players than them.

There is no shortage of talent in the English system and perhaps this embarrassment of riches is the issue.  Lancaster chopped and changed players but there didn't seem to be much in the way of development.  It is unlikely that a player will perform at their best early in their international career and they need the experience and accumulation of caps over time.

The thing is, Lancaster knew this and he said over 3 years ago he wanted to get a certain level of caps in the team by the time of the RWC, but he failed to hit his own target by a long margin with too many players tried and discarded.

Trying out Burgess was the worst example of this.  The game against Wales was huge and yet Lancaster picks someone with what, 2 previous international caps?  Jeez...  (assuming that it was Lancaster's decision and not Farrell's, or the RFU putting pressure to pick him to repay the money they'd spent...)  The list of Rugby League converts who have flopped in Union is considerably longer than the list who have been successful.

Picking bashing centres like Barritt and Burgess is fine, but then the pack needs to be full of bashers as well.  Going for a more expansive game is fine, but then you don't pick players like Barritt and Burgess in the centre. 

So it is either the case that Lancaster didn't know how to identify his best team, style of play and stick with this so they develop the experience, in which case, there isn't much point keeping him.

Or, he did know but didn't have the strength of conviction to stick with this, particularly if Farrell and others were dominating the discussion and forcing their own view of the world.  That doesn't look great for him either.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Come on England...03/10/15 10:31:00 R Rees Williams
   Re:Come on England...03/10/15 11:32:00 Ken Munn
      Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 20:54:00 R Rees Williams
         Re:Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 21:08:00 Julian Pavey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 22:03:00 Julian Pavey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 22:14:00 R Rees Williams
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 22:17:00 Julian Pavey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...03/10/15 23:23:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...04/10/15 09:16:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...04/10/15 09:35:00 Paul Pryce
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...04/10/15 10:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...04/10/15 11:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...04/10/15 12:47:00 Caroline Carney
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 08:23:00 Paul Wright
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 10:09:00 Francis Rowe
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 10:52:00 Ken Munn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:03:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:09:00 Richard Greenhough
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:16:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:23:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:36:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:47:00 Ken Munn
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 11:56:00 R Atterwill
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 12:02:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 12:18:00 Francis Rowe
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 12:44:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 13:40:00 Francis Rowe
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 13:46:00 Paul Wright
                                                                  England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201905/10/15 14:17:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                     Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201907/10/15 16:43:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                                     Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201907/10/15 17:25:00 R Rees Williams
                                                                        Re:Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201908/10/15 11:22:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201908/10/15 11:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201908/10/15 15:09:00 R Rees Williams
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:England's World Cup Winning Starting Line-up 201908/10/15 15:57:00 Francis Rowe
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 14:14:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 14:25:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...05/10/15 17:07:00 Ken Munn
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on England...07/10/15 17:59:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           If Lancaster goes...08/10/15 15:41:00 Ken Munn
                                                                              Re:If Lancaster goes...08/10/15 16:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                 Re:Re:If Lancaster goes...09/10/15 18:47:00 Ken Munn
   Exit Sam Burgess05/11/15 17:50:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Exit Sam Burgess06/11/15 07:49:00 R Rees Williams
         Re:Re:Exit Sam Burgess06/11/15 08:27:00 Ken Munn
            Re:Re:Re:Exit Sam Burgess06/11/15 08:41:00 Andrew Cumming
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Exit Sam Burgess06/11/15 09:11:00 Michael Robinson
   Exit Stuart Lancaster11/11/15 13:07:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Exit Stuart Lancaster11/11/15 15:32:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:Exit Stuart Lancaster11/11/15 15:48:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Exit Stuart Lancaster11/11/15 16:02:00 Julian Pavey
   Re:Come on England...11/11/15 21:29:00 Ken Munn

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