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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The migrant crisis
Posted by: Fraser Pearce
Date/Time: 03/09/15 13:55:00

Vanessa and others –

Syria itself has an illegal immigrant crisis helped by jihadist foreigners.

What then have normal Syrians done to deserve the scourge of aggressive, violent, illiberal, Islamist illegal immigrants “born and bred here”?

Syrians have become refugees thanks in part to the actions of Islamists who have left the UK and invaded Syria.

And yes, Daesh are expansionist. They will come (back) to Europe – at the very least “the wombs of our women” being a non-violent, long term, demographic strategy to Islamise Europe.

It is about culture, not just kinetics.


Long term, rather than mass resettlement of people in the entirely different culture of Europe and the UK, perhaps European money might be better spent on a concerted effort to help genuine refugees closer to their home countries?

Last month the UN High Commissioner for Refugees confirmed, for example, that the support programme for Syrian refugees was only funded only up to 41%, with only 21% of Turkey's costs being covered.

Surely it’s better to collectively fund the refugee support programmes closer to Syria, Iraq, Afghan and Pakistan than have people make the hazardous trip to Europe? Supplement this too with rigorous monitoring of how the money is spent.

Then there’s space for rigorous pressure on the likes of Eritrea with regard to the 2000 UN TIP Protocol. Further afield, the UK and FCO are in a unique position to influence the likes of Saudi, Qatar and Kuwait to up their game...

There is ample opportunity to export more help to these regions, rather than simply importing their problems.


And what happens to irregular migrants when they make it to the UK?

There was a benefit dinner last year for an Afghan man. At home he’d been an army officer. People traffickers got him to the UK, where he eventually found work fixing pizza delivery bikes for pennies an hour.

In effect, a good, educated, cultured and capable man found safety here in the UK – but experienced exploitation too (the good folk of Chiswick indirectly benefitting from his work).

What of those who aren’t so educated or liberal as him – or don’t have friends in Hereford and Whitehall to help them out?

How do we integrate “poor sods fleeing Syria, Eritrea, Sudan and Afghanistan” into productive, fulfilling lives in the UK and Europe?

How do we ensure such people aren’t simply a source of cheap labour driving down wage levels or warming a demographic winter?

Given “poor sods fleeing Syria, Eritrea, Sudan and Afghanistan” are from non-European, developing world, largely Islamic cultures, do we expect them to integrate and adopt relatively liberal European attitudes?

Do we expect such people to integrate at all (given asylum seekers in Germany have begun to be segregated along national, religious and cultural lines)?

These are important questions that Europeans and non-Europeans are entitled to ask.

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