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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion?
Posted by: Anuj Gupta
Date/Time: 30/07/15 12:18:00

I don't know much about fishing, but I do know a hell of a lot about game parks, so please allow me to educate you.

First of all, I think you're conflating ethics with legality. I'm not a hunter, and I would absolutely classify hunting, angling, foxhunting or indeed kicking a dog as totally unethical activities. However, what happened to Cecil was not only unethical, but possibly illegal.

In countries where hunting is legal (I believe Kenya and Botswana are the only ones that have a blanket ban on all hunting), it is only possible to do in Game Management Areas, or GMAs. These are areas that usually abut the game parks.

So Hwange would have GMAs around the actual boundary of the park. The boundary itself is unmarked, so an animal could - and they frequently do - wander into a GMA where they can be legally hunted. Except, in order to hunt in a particular GMA, you need to buy a license or permit. The permit itself is issued linked to a quota. So a lion could wander into the GMA and if that GMA doesn't have a permit for a lion kill, then hunting that lion would be illegal.

That is precisely what happened here, Cecil was hunted in a concession where there was no permit to hunt lions. That's the best part of the story. Now onto the details...

1. How did he get into the GMA to begin? By baiting. The hunters tied a dead carcass to a vehicle and literally lured the cat out of the national park.

2. Once he was in the GMA, he was blinded by a spotlight. This is not only unethical, but it is illegal. You are not allowed to shine spotlights directly into an animal's eyes.

3. Our fearless dentist fired an arrow into Cecil, enough to wound him but not kill him. Cecil flees.

4. The said intrepid hunter tracked the injured beast for 40 hours. Those must have been hellish for Cecil - injured, bleeding, afraid. Indeed the high-velocity rifle shot was probably the sole bit of compassion the good Dr Palmer exemplified. At least he put poor Cecil out of his suffering.

5. Then they "discovered" that they'd shot a collared animal. As someone who's spent a substantial amount of time in South Luangwa and Hwange, I found this assertion laughable. Every single guide I have ever spent time with knew his or her lions on sight. The fact that Cecil was arguably the most famous lion in the park, just makes this claim appear an outright lie.

6. Shooting a collared animal is in itself not a crime. However, trying to destroy the collar to cover up the hunt is. And that's exactly what the so-called "ethical" and "professional" hunters tried to do.

Apparently it's possible to prosecute Dr Palmer under the Lacey Act. I certainly hope they try do, if nothing else it will saddle him with legal bills for years to come.

And our Minnesotan cousins have had the good sense to boycott his dental clinic, the least we can give him is some financial payback.

The good Dr Palmer might be killed Cecil, but boy is that cat roaring now...


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 18:59:00 Loraine Pemberton
   Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:05:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:06:00 Charles Campbell
      Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:11:00 Delilah Hall
      Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:11:00 Georgina Flint
      Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:28:00 Carl Wynne
   Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:11:00 Alex Thomas
      Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:17:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:31:00 Lynne Bruce
            Re:Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:36:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:43:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:33:00 Andy Pease
            Re:Re:Re:Re:where are we with a world judiciary then?29/07/15 19:38:00 Alex Thomas
            Re:Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:43:00 Jill Merrett
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 19:46:00 Loraine Pemberton
                  A pathetic attempt at justifying his blood lust.....29/07/15 20:08:00 Jill Merrett
                     Re:A pathetic attempt at justifying his blood lust.....29/07/15 20:15:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:A pathetic attempt at justifying his blood lust.....29/07/15 20:18:00 Jill Merrett
            Re:Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 00:11:00 David Marles
   Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 20:26:00 Peter Millman
      Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 20:32:00 Claire Moran
      Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 20:32:00 Georgina Flint
         Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 20:41:00 Peter Millman
            Re:Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 20:44:00 Claire Moran
         Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 20:41:00 Claire Moran
         Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 21:07:00 Delilah Hall
            Re:Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 21:09:00 Delilah Hall
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 21:15:00 Georgina Flint
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 21:15:00 Claire Moran
                  Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 23:07:00 Delilah Hall
                     Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 23:18:00 Jill Merrett
                        Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 29/07/15 23:21:00 Loraine Pemberton
                           Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 07:41:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 08:00:00 Charles Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 08:33:00 bobby osborne
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 08:53:00 Adam Beamish
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 20:05:00 Donna Fraser
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 08:47:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 09:06:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 09:13:00 Adam Beamish
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 09:23:00 James Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 09:29:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 10:01:00 Dan Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 10:09:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 11:00:00 Claire Moran
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 10:27:00 Adam Beamish
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 10:39:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 10:48:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 10:59:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 10:52:00 James Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 10:53:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a fish? 30/07/15 11:29:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 12:18:00 Anuj Gupta
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 12:55:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 13:16:00 Claire Moran
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 13:36:00 Dan Murphy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 13:50:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 22:33:00 Anuj Gupta
   Re:What's the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 11:38:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:What's the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 11:56:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:What's the pleasure in killing a Lion? 30/07/15 13:14:00 Claire Moran
            To save lions like Cecil? 30/07/15 20:35:00 Malcolm Peltu
               I'll bet the dentist is a good Christian30/07/15 22:10:00 Janine Jarvis
               Re:To save lions like Cecil? 30/07/15 22:56:00 Anuj Gupta
                  Re:Re:To save lions like Cecil? 30/07/15 23:47:00 David Marles
                     Generosity..31/07/15 17:19:00 Delilah Hall
                        Re:Generosity..31/07/15 17:35:00 Vanessa Smith
                           Re:Re:Generosity..31/07/15 18:46:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 31/07/15 23:25:00 David Roberts
      Re:Re:whats the pleasure in killing a Lion? 01/08/15 07:08:00 Gordon McDonald
         Walter is just the tip of the iceberg...01/08/15 08:27:00 Delilah Hall
            Re:Walter is just the tip of the iceberg...01/08/15 09:59:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Walter is just the tip of the iceberg...01/08/15 10:23:00 Colin Jordan
            Re:Walter is just the tip of the iceberg...01/08/15 16:28:00 Anuj Gupta
               Re:Re:Walter is just the tip of the iceberg...01/08/15 20:14:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Walter is just the tip of the iceberg...01/08/15 20:20:00 Delilah Hall
                  Re:Re:Re:Walter is just the tip of the iceberg...01/08/15 20:23:00 Loraine Pemberton
   Re:Whats the pleasure in shooting at an armadillo? 01/08/15 20:39:00 Richard Greenhough
      Whats the pleasure in shooting at an armadillo? 01/08/15 20:46:00 Delilah Hall
         Re:Whats the pleasure in shooting at an armadillo? 01/08/15 20:53:00 Claire Moran
            Whats the pleasure in shooting at an armadillo? 01/08/15 21:11:00 Delilah Hall
               Re:Whats the pleasure in shooting at an armadillo? 01/08/15 21:15:00 Claire Moran
                  Whats the pleasure in shooting at an armadillo? 01/08/15 21:41:00 Delilah Hall
                     Re: Jericho01/08/15 22:36:00 Loraine Pemberton
                  Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in shooting at an armadillo? 01/08/15 22:20:00 Georgina Flint
                     Re:Re:Re:Whats the pleasure in shooting at an armadillo? 01/08/15 22:34:00 Claire Moran
                        Re: Cecil and Jericho02/08/15 09:18:00 Loraine Pemberton
                           Re:Re: Cecil and Jericho02/08/15 09:54:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re: Cecil and Jericho02/08/15 10:40:00 Georgina Flint
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re: Cecil and Jericho02/08/15 11:04:00 Julian Pavey
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Cecil and Jericho02/08/15 11:17:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Cecil and Jericho02/08/15 11:27:00 bobby osborne
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Cecil and Jericho02/08/15 11:49:00 Julian Pavey
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Cecil and Jericho02/08/15 11:51:00 Richard Greenhough
                                              Cecil and Jericho02/08/15 12:16:00 Delilah Hall
                                                Re: Cecil and Jericho02/08/15 12:35:00 Loraine Pemberton

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