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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.
Posted by: Al Webber
Date/Time: 25/06/15 12:37:00

With some joined up thinking, the money raised from fines and auctioning off confiscated stuff that doesn't get reclaimed should be able to cover the costs of keeping officers out there.

I was thinking about the whole issue.  A big part of the problem is that cyclists are not one homogeneous mass that can be lumped together.  The "lycra brigade" is very different from the "pootle to the shops" type of cyclist.  Both are valid but they have very different needs.

If you are commuting into London from zone 2 or 3, then you are doing enough miles that you will probably need to shower when you get to work and you will want to change out of cycling gear.  You also want a proper pair of padded cycling shorts otherwise you get a sore rear - hence the lycra. If you do 8 or 10 miles every day you will get fit and you will travel at a decent speed, and can safely get in the traffic flow.

The stereotyped middle aged lady who pootles to shops at 6 to 8 mph is going to struggle to mix with traffic, and this seems to be what the authorities are trying to encourage.  If you build segregated cycle lanes you will then potentially have the problem that the lycra brigade cyclists will be doing 3 times the speed of some of these slower cyclists. The speed differential is massive.  It is a complete contrast to cars.  Generally cars will all be travelling at a similar speed.

Some of the cycle routes around big roundabouts are incredibly slow and cumbersome.  The regular, fit "lycra brigade" cyclist who commutes 10 miles every day will probably stick to the main carriageway - and for them it is safe. They will also not want to get stuck behind someone doing 8mph in a cycle lane that is not wide enough to overtake them.  There is also the issue of shared use cycle lanes on pavements.  They are ok for the slower type of cyclists but if you are doing 20mph plus they are not safe for the cyclist or the pedestrians.  I generally avoid them

One solution might be to allow some level of cycling on pavements for slower cylists but under strict condition that you give way to pedestrians at all times.  The problem with that is that people would start abusing it - although those type of people probably already cycle on the pavement at high speed.

One thing is certain - there aren't any simple solutions.


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Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:22:00 Andy Pease
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:25:00 Claire Moran
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:56:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:19:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:25:00 James Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:49:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:21:00 James Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:40:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:10:00 James Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:41:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:12:00 James Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:34:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:43:00 James Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 18:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 22:56:00 James Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:00:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:59:00 Andy Rooney
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:14:00 James Doggett
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:29:00 Jill Merrett
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:35:00 Colin Jordan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:07:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:46:00 Will Watson
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:35:00 Jonathan Bingham
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:06:00 Andy Pease
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:35:00 Michael Robinson
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 12:54:00 Ed Yelland
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:23:00 James Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:39:00 Andy Pease
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:00:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:19:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:30:00 Arnold Saxton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:44:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:34:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:45:00 James Robinson
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                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 08:17:00 James Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 08:52:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 09:20:00 James Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 09:56:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:24:00 Will Watson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:41:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:06:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:31:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:42:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:06:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 14:30:00 Al Webber
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 15:26:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 15:42:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 16:10:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:07:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:00:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:09:00 Elle Jones
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:14:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:18:00 Elle Jones
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:25:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:41:00 Paul Lund
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:28:00 Andy Brown
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:31:00 James Robinson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:55:00 Elle Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:57:00 Elle Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:07:00 Andy Brown
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:39:00 Andy Pease
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 21:45:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:08:00 Will Watson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:30:00 Adrian Irving
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:45:00 James Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 20:07:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 20:19:00 James Robinson
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                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 22:49:00 Al Webber
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                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 12:37:00 Al Webber

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