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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.
Posted by: Al Webber
Date/Time: 24/06/15 22:49:00

If you are trying to raech the "interested but concerned" the headlines in the Standard really aren't helping matters.  Every fatal accident I can think of in recent times has been at a junction.  It is safe to cycle along a straight piece of road - apart from the pedestrians who walk out in front of you and send you to A&E that is (personal experience).

Screaming out for segregated lanes all over the place as the Standard, and some of the cycling campaign groups are doing is counter productive.  Boris's policy of upgrading junctions is much better, but everyone seems to be screaming for segregation.

If you want to get people cycling then what you want is publicity that says, I get to work 10 minutes quicker, save £123 a month on a zone 1-2 travelcard, and another £50 on gym fees.

In regard to the mix of cyclists there are probably a disproportionate number of white middle class men who commute into central London.  The cycling mix probably reflects the commuting mix to some extent.  Where there is a discrepancy is in the number of women, but there is a discrepancy in the number of men and women who do exercise in general so it is part of a wider problem.

In the outer boroughs, the biggest problem I see is bad drivers.  For my current job I cycle from Grove Park to Acton Town.  There are people who cut you up, who pull out in front of you, get too close overtaking up Bollo lane.  Realistically none of these are likely to cause me any major harm, but they are going to put an inexperienced cyclist off.  Drivers have to be forced to drive better.

The only way it is going to happen is for the authorities to throw the book at bad drivers.  I'd put 20 plain clothes police out on bikes with cameras around London.  Once the  Evening Standard started reporting that they issued several hundred penalties in the first week it might have a deterrent effect on people driving badly around cyclists.

I acknowledge that there are bad cyclists around.  I would also put police in vans who would confiscate the bikes of people who cycle at night without lights, or ride at high speeds on the pavement, or go through pedestrian crossings amd don't stop.

Proper enforcement of the law on all parties would bring about a complete change of culture.  That is what we need.


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Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:22:00 Andy Pease
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:25:00 Claire Moran
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:56:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:19:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:25:00 James Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:49:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:21:00 James Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:40:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:10:00 James Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:41:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:12:00 James Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:34:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:43:00 James Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 18:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 22:56:00 James Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:00:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:59:00 Andy Rooney
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:14:00 James Doggett
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:29:00 Jill Merrett
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:35:00 Colin Jordan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:07:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:46:00 Will Watson
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:35:00 Jonathan Bingham
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:06:00 Andy Pease
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:35:00 Michael Robinson
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 12:54:00 Ed Yelland
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:23:00 James Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:39:00 Andy Pease
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:00:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:19:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:30:00 Arnold Saxton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:44:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:34:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:45:00 James Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 06:07:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 08:17:00 James Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 08:52:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 09:20:00 James Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 09:56:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:24:00 Will Watson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:41:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:06:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:31:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:42:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:06:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 14:30:00 Al Webber
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 15:26:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 15:42:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 16:10:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:07:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:00:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:09:00 Elle Jones
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:14:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:18:00 Elle Jones
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:25:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:41:00 Paul Lund
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:28:00 Andy Brown
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:31:00 James Robinson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:55:00 Elle Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:57:00 Elle Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:07:00 Andy Brown
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:39:00 Andy Pease
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 21:45:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:08:00 Will Watson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:30:00 Adrian Irving
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:45:00 James Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 20:07:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 20:19:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:52:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 22:49:00 Al Webber
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 08:08:00 Colin Jordan
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 09:02:00 Arnold Saxton
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 09:11:00 James Robinson
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                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 11:35:00 Andy Pease
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 12:37:00 Al Webber

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