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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.
Posted by: Michael Robinson
Date/Time: 24/06/15 17:00:00

"it's giving drivers the message that bikes don't belong on the road, and it also scares people off of cycling.  The best way to make cycling safer is to get more people doing it.  The number of cyclists on London's roads is more than double what it was 15 years ago"

I would say it is the other way round... what scares people off cycling is mixing on the road in close proximity to motor vehicles.  The best way to get more people cycling is to make it safer. The model share of cycling in London is still tiny, about 2% currently.

Some people seem to have a view of "oh, if we can't have segregated lanes everywhere, we shouldn't do them anywhere..."  But even the Netherlands they only do segregated lanes where the volume and/or speed of motor traffic justifies it.  There's no segregated lanes in residential areas but they try to limit the volume and speed of cars there.

Asking the opinion of people who already cycle what is needed to get more people cycling isn't the answer - the question should be directed at the people who aren't cycling because you will need to get an awful lot of them to get modal share up to even 10%, let alone 15%.  Saying "Oh, you just need to do what I do" won't work.

(this assumes that people want to live in a place with 10% or more modal share for bikes.  Based upon some comments on cw4, some non-cyclists would go apoplectic at the thought and some existing cyclists may be happy being a small minority and dislike the thought of all the hoi polloi doing it was well)


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Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:22:00 Andy Pease
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:25:00 Claire Moran
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:56:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:19:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:25:00 James Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:49:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:21:00 James Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:40:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:10:00 James Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:41:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:12:00 James Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:34:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:43:00 James Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 18:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 22:56:00 James Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:00:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:59:00 Andy Rooney
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:14:00 James Doggett
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:29:00 Jill Merrett
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:35:00 Colin Jordan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:07:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:46:00 Will Watson
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:35:00 Jonathan Bingham
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:06:00 Andy Pease
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:35:00 Michael Robinson
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 12:54:00 Ed Yelland
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:23:00 James Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:39:00 Andy Pease
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:00:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:19:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:30:00 Arnold Saxton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:44:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:34:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:45:00 James Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 06:07:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 08:17:00 James Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 08:52:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 09:20:00 James Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 09:56:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:24:00 Will Watson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:41:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:06:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:31:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:42:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:06:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 14:30:00 Al Webber
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 15:26:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 15:42:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 16:10:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:07:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:00:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:09:00 Elle Jones
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:14:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:18:00 Elle Jones
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:25:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:41:00 Paul Lund
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:28:00 Andy Brown
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:31:00 James Robinson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:55:00 Elle Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:57:00 Elle Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:07:00 Andy Brown
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:39:00 Andy Pease
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 21:45:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:08:00 Will Watson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:30:00 Adrian Irving
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:45:00 James Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 20:07:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 20:19:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:52:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 22:49:00 Al Webber
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 08:08:00 Colin Jordan
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 09:02:00 Arnold Saxton
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 09:11:00 James Robinson
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                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 11:35:00 Andy Pease
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