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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.
Posted by: Michael Robinson
Date/Time: 24/06/15 08:52:00

.. and yet road planners put in cycle filter lanes and advanced stop boxes exactly where the vehicle blind spots are...

When did you last see a HGV hang back because there were cyclists in the filter lane and ASL box?

There is a well established engineering approach to manage risks and it starts with elimination of the risk, substitution, separation and a number of other things in order of decreasing effectiveness.

Adverts are just about the least effective thing, particularly when there are totally contradictory messages out there,  "Oh look, we've painted cycle lanes just for you" ... "yes, I know we have painted lanes but using them can be dangerous" and all the time car drivers are saying "get out of my way and use the lanes"

The trouble is, adverts gives a local authority the illusion they are doing something and shifts the blame onto the victims ("look at how concerned we are, we've stuck up a bunch of posters...not our fault if people ignore them...")

"Hard" measures like legislating and enforcing HGV bans and designing away dangers from junctions are far more effective and the authorities responsible for this can't be let off the hook just because they have stuck up some posters.


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Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:22:00 Andy Pease
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:25:00 Claire Moran
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 18:56:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:19:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:25:00 James Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:49:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:21:00 James Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:40:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:10:00 James Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:41:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:12:00 James Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:34:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:43:00 James Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 18:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 22:56:00 James Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:00:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 09:59:00 Andy Rooney
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:14:00 James Doggett
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.22/06/15 19:29:00 Jill Merrett
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 08:35:00 Colin Jordan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:07:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 11:46:00 Will Watson
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 10:35:00 Jonathan Bingham
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:06:00 Andy Pease
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:35:00 Michael Robinson
   Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 12:54:00 Ed Yelland
      Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:23:00 James Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 13:39:00 Andy Pease
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:00:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:19:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:30:00 Arnold Saxton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:44:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:34:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.23/06/15 14:45:00 James Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 06:07:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 08:17:00 James Robinson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 08:52:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 09:20:00 James Robinson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 09:56:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:24:00 Will Watson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:41:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:06:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:31:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:42:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 11:06:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 10:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 14:30:00 Al Webber
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 15:26:00 James Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 15:42:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 16:10:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:07:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:00:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:09:00 Elle Jones
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:14:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:18:00 Elle Jones
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:25:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:41:00 Paul Lund
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:27:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:28:00 Andy Brown
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:31:00 Michael Robinson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:31:00 James Robinson
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:55:00 Elle Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 17:57:00 Elle Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:07:00 Andy Brown
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:39:00 Andy Pease
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 21:45:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:08:00 Will Watson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:30:00 Adrian Irving
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:45:00 James Robinson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 20:07:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 20:19:00 James Robinson
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 18:52:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.24/06/15 22:49:00 Al Webber
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 08:08:00 Colin Jordan
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 09:02:00 Arnold Saxton
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 09:11:00 James Robinson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 09:36:00 Michael Robinson
                                                               Re: Lorry safety statistics25/06/15 12:57:00 Ed Yelland
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 11:35:00 Andy Pease
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Another cyclist loses their life.25/06/15 12:37:00 Al Webber

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