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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election
Posted by: Phil Andrews
Date/Time: 21/06/15 17:44:00

One significant effect of the FPTP system has been to help disguise the extent to which the big parties are shedding their core support.  Much has been made of UKIP, with its 12.5% of the vote and one parliamentary seat, but the Greens took nearly 4% of the vote also and there is every indication that as the party matures organisationally and politically it will eat further into the progressive vote share.  And then of course there is Scotland.

The factors which combined to create the conditions for the famous Labour landslide of 1997 are not there today.  Back then the Tories had made themselves unelectable with a combination of unseemly squabbles over Europe and sundry sex scandals which, as Alan Clark observed, made them look ridiculous every bit as much as it made them appear corrupt and untrustworthy.  Furthermore the left of the party was prepared to go along with the the New Labour experiment, having languished in opposition for eighteen years during which they had been forced to witness the wholesale destructiveness of the Thatcher era.

None of the three Blairite or near-Blairite candidates in this leadership election has a fraction of Blair's charisma, but they do have the legacy of Blair's genocidal adventures in Iraq to ignore or explain away.  Meanwhile they have poor Jeremy Corbyn sitting alongside them at the table to help act out the charade of a broad church, but once the serious business begins he will have to be dispensed with and with him the aspirations of those who have placed their forlorn hopes in the integrity of the process.

The essential point is that no matter how far Labour ventures into Tory territory in its quest for votes, it can only succeed by taking the bulk of its core support with it.  There are only so many Tory supporters who will be prepared to switch to a Torified Labour Party when they can vote for the real thing.  And much though I despair (as you presumably rejoice) at the propensity of so many core Labour supporters to cling blindly to an organisation which patently no longer shares their values on anything more than an extremely superficial level, the signs are that there will this time be signifcant numbers who won't.

With the near inevitability of Scottish independence sooner rather than later I really do believe that this time the game is up for the Labour Party, and on a personal note I cannot help but observe that it really couldn't happen to nicer people.  Of course this will in time trigger some kind of realignment on the progressive wing of politics, but the opportunity will be there to dispense with the elitist arrogance of the Labour Party and to put in its place something which so many who have been alienated by it may feel able to be a part of.


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Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 08:05:00 William Luckman
   Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 09:10:00 Gerry Tan
      Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 09:49:00 Colin Jordan
         Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 10:11:00 Nigel Brooks
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 10:54:00 Denis Fox
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 11:07:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 20:27:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 11:02:00 Julian Pavey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 12:10:00 Gerry Tan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 13:12:00 Julian Pavey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 14:24:00 Vanessa Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 14:29:00 R Atterwill
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 14:47:00 Vanessa Smith
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 14:53:00 R Atterwill
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 15:13:00 Will Watson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 20:32:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs17/06/15 13:40:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs17/06/15 14:02:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 19:05:00 Steve Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs16/06/15 19:10:00 R Atterwill
   Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs17/06/15 15:37:00 Paul Corcoran
      Re:Re:Labour Party leadership nominations by local MPs19/06/15 15:45:00 Anita Blake
         Participating in Labour's leadership election20/06/15 09:47:00 David McLoughlin
            Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election20/06/15 10:17:00 R Atterwill
               Re:Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election20/06/15 10:21:00 Brian Coyle
                  Re:Re:Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election20/06/15 14:03:00 Anita Blake
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election20/06/15 16:11:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election20/06/15 17:46:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election20/06/15 18:36:00 R Atterwill
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election20/06/15 18:43:00 Claire Moran
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election21/06/15 12:51:00 Anita Blake
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election21/06/15 13:42:00 David McLoughlin
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Participating in Labour's leadership election21/06/15 17:44:00 Phil Andrews

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