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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 23/05/15 13:30:00

Paul, surely the benefit of muzzling dogs would be the vast reduction of dog bites and attacks. That's enough for me.

Yes, dogs might bound up at people and bump into them or even knock them over, but surely that's better than being bitten?

I don't get this argument about dogs becoming so frustrated at wearing a muzzle that they are continually bumping into people to try and dislodge it. Where is the evidence for this? Most of the "dog" websites say that wearing a muzzle is something that most dogs are happy to get used to. Same as leads.

I don't believe that it would cause unnecessary suffering.

I don't agree that my proposal (and by the way, it's not just me) is "ill considered". I have thought about it long and hard and read much of what has been written on the subject. I simply don't see any evidence to show that it wouldn't work. Despite asking so many times here for sensible reasons why it would not work, nobody seems to have any good reason to offer.

Why do you say it is "ill considered"?

I don't agree that the benefits would be "negligible". If it prevents the (3,000?) bites and attacks that take place every year outside the home, how is that "negligible"?

What is the "appreciable harm" that you refer to? I can't see what you mean, you don't state it.

As for "multiple objections", I have listed the main ones that people have proffered. Are there others that we have missed? Can you explain what they are? I have answered all the objections offered in this thread, as far as I can see.

And why is the suggestion "self evident idiocy"? All I am doing is asking for someone to explain to me why it wouldn't work. All people on here have done is to tell me that it would make their dog "unhappy" (who cares?); it would encourage some dogs to bump into people because they don't like a muzzle (better than biting them, and they would get used to it), and it prevents drinking (false).

So I still don't get why it is "self evident idiocy". Can you please explain why?

Your post is just another one telling me I am wrong, but failing to explain why.

I am totally open to sensible arguments against the suggestion, but I haven't seen any. Really, I haven't. Can you please explain why it is ill considered and self evident idiocy?


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HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 14:05:00 Charlotte Kasner
   Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 15:25:00 Claire Moran
   Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 15:26:00 Will Watson
      Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 15:32:00 Claire Moran
         Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 19:07:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 22:29:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 22:47:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 06:01:00 Dan Murphy
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 09:23:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 10:37:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 10:42:00 Paul Lund
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:08:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:55:00 Paul Lund
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 10:42:00 Loraine Pemberton
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:05:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:16:00 Claire Moran
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:17:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:27:00 Claire Moran
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:41:00 Stuart Kerr
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:43:00 Claire Moran
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:48:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:52:00 Claire Moran
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:55:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:58:00 Claire Moran
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:02:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:04:00 Dan Murphy
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:06:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:08:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 17:10:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:08:00 Dan Murphy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:10:00 Claire Moran
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 17:22:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:19:00 Claire Moran
                                                               Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:26:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                  Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:29:00 Claire Moran
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:36:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:49:00 Claire Moran
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:54:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:00:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:05:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:08:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:11:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:15:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:22:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:26:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:34:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:57:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 18:04:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 18:08:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 18:15:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 21:52:00 Will Watson
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 21:59:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:00:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:07:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:26:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:40:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:58:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 23:02:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....21/05/15 05:18:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 10:58:00 Charlotte Kasner
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 10:54:00 Charlotte Kasner
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 15:12:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 15:59:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:02:00 Will Watson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:05:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:08:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:11:00 Will Watson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:23:00 Pete Mayes
                                    Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 11:12:00 Felicity Caborn
                                       Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 17:52:00 Dan Murphy
                                          Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:20:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                             Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:30:00 Claire Moran
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:34:00 Claire Moran
                                             Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:53:00 Dan Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 19:29:00 Claire Moran
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!23/05/15 07:31:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!23/05/15 12:04:00 Paul Pryce
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!23/05/15 13:30:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!26/05/15 09:54:00 Charlotte Kasner
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!26/05/15 15:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!27/05/15 07:37:00 Felicity Caborn
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!27/05/15 10:23:00 Claire Moran
                                                                  Sorry Dan you might have missed my post27/05/15 15:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                     Re:Sorry Dan you might have missed my post27/05/15 15:20:00 Claire Moran
                                                                        Re:Re:Sorry Dan you might have missed my post27/05/15 15:21:00 Andrew Jones

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