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Topic: Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 22/05/15 17:52:00

Felicity, thanks for your post.

However:

"I'm not optimistic that Mr Murphy is a person who would let facts change their opinion". I'm not sure where on earth how you arrive at this conclusion.  We never get facts here relating to this argument, all we ever get is abuse and insults from the "doggie fraternity". We never get any facts or sensible arguments because they refuse to offer any.

So thank you for your post. At least now we have something to work on.

So you had a dog who was "made unhappy" by wearing a muzzle. Well, there are also a lot of people who say they are "made unhappy" by wearing a seatbelt, but that's just tough luck, It's in the best interests of the greater number, so we all have to wear them.

I really don't see how your dog being "unhappy" about wearing a muzzle is a good argument against a mandatory muzzling of all dogs. You say that muzzling made her "more of a danger" to other people, but how can this be? Maybe she was able to bump into them, but she was not able to bite or attack them. This is my whole point. If all dogs were muzzled, they would not be able to bite anyone.

So OK, some dogs might be "unhappy" if forced to wear a muzzle, but so what? Why would we measure the happiness or otherwise of any dog when compared to the safety of the thousands of young children (and adults) who get bitten or attacked every year in the UK?

To me, it's a no brainer. I am not in the slightest bit interested in whether a specific dog is "happy" or not, if it would prevent them biting children. And of course, it would prevent them biting children.

I'm sure a lot of people say their dogs are "unhappy" if they have to wear a lead. And a lot of children are "unhappy" if they have to wear smart clothes. And a lot of adults say they are "unhappy" if they have to pay road tax, or car insurance. Well, Tough luck is all I can say. It's not really a strong argument, is it?.

So I am sure your story is true, but I don't see the relevance of it.

You say that muzzling of all dogs would be a "daft counterproductive idea". But what does that actually mean? Why is it daft? Why is it counterproductive? If it helps to reduce the number of attacks and bites to virtually zero, how on earth is this counter productive?

OK, it might make a few dogs (or more likely their owners) "unhappy", but really, why should we care about that?


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HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 14:05:00 Charlotte Kasner
   Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 15:25:00 Claire Moran
   Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 15:26:00 Will Watson
      Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 15:32:00 Claire Moran
         Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 19:07:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 22:29:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 22:47:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 06:01:00 Dan Murphy
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 09:23:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 10:37:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 10:42:00 Paul Lund
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:08:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:55:00 Paul Lund
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 10:42:00 Loraine Pemberton
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:05:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:16:00 Claire Moran
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:17:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:27:00 Claire Moran
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:41:00 Stuart Kerr
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:43:00 Claire Moran
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:48:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:52:00 Claire Moran
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:55:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:58:00 Claire Moran
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:02:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:04:00 Dan Murphy
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:06:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:08:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 17:10:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:08:00 Dan Murphy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:10:00 Claire Moran
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 17:22:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:19:00 Claire Moran
                                                               Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:26:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                  Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:29:00 Claire Moran
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:36:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:49:00 Claire Moran
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:54:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:00:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:05:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:08:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:11:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:15:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:22:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:26:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:34:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:57:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 18:04:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 18:08:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 18:15:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 21:52:00 Will Watson
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 21:59:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:00:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:07:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:26:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:40:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:58:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 23:02:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....21/05/15 05:18:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 10:58:00 Charlotte Kasner
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 10:54:00 Charlotte Kasner
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 15:12:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 15:59:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:02:00 Will Watson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:05:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:08:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:11:00 Will Watson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:23:00 Pete Mayes
                                    Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 11:12:00 Felicity Caborn
                                       Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 17:52:00 Dan Murphy
                                          Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:20:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                             Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:30:00 Claire Moran
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:34:00 Claire Moran
                                             Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:53:00 Dan Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 19:29:00 Claire Moran
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!23/05/15 07:31:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!23/05/15 12:04:00 Paul Pryce
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!23/05/15 13:30:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!26/05/15 09:54:00 Charlotte Kasner
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!26/05/15 15:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!27/05/15 07:37:00 Felicity Caborn
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!27/05/15 10:23:00 Claire Moran
                                                                  Sorry Dan you might have missed my post27/05/15 15:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                     Re:Sorry Dan you might have missed my post27/05/15 15:20:00 Claire Moran
                                                                        Re:Re:Sorry Dan you might have missed my post27/05/15 15:21:00 Andrew Jones

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