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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published
Posted by: Charlotte Kasner
Date/Time: 21/05/15 10:54:00

THE SINGLE GOOD REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T MUZZLE ALL DOGS IS THAT IT WILL NOT WORK.

Sorry to shout, but really, it's getting tedious. These statistics do not reflect rabid dogs rushing up to people in the street and sinking their teeth in for no apparent reason.

Most dog/child bites happen in the home when the dog is left unattended with the child. Children provoke dogs all the time because adults do not understand what upsets a dog, cannot see when it is trying to take avoiding action and treat every dog as if it is a toy to be petted and played with all the time and do not allow their dogs a break from noise and children. Adults do not behave well around dogs and do not teach their children how to behave around dogs (or other animals). The vast majority of dogs will have given signal after signal that they are unhappy and it will have been ignored until the dog eventually snaps. Inevitably the owner then says "I don't know why it happened, it came without warning".

Mandatory muzzling could only ever cover a dog in public. This would not stop the mahjority of bites to children. Most bites outside the home happen because someone has stuck their hand into the middle of a fight.

Muzzling all dogs is unethical and could cause more probelms than it attempts to solve by making some dogs more reactive. It is analagous to handcuffing all humans because everyone is a potential kleptomaniac.

A truly agressive dog, bred to fight, trained to do damage and deliberately badly handled is not going to be deterred by a muzzle. It is truly frightening when such dogs make short work of restraints. I've seen it happen once and heard of one other incident - both incidents occurred  in veterinary practice where dogs were being euthanased because of aggression.

God forbid the little darling kiddywinks should be taught how to behave around a dog and not be left alone to provoke them. Ditto the adults who do not stimulate, exercise and train their dogs in the first place and who have no idea of how their dog communicates.

I know that you don't hate dogs Dan and I believe that we are both motivated by the same desire - to reduce the number of dog bites. So please provide concrete proof of a muzzling order that has, without question, reduced the number of dog bites and maybe we can have a serious discussion of the issue.


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HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 14:05:00 Charlotte Kasner
   Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 15:25:00 Claire Moran
   Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 15:26:00 Will Watson
      Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 15:32:00 Claire Moran
         Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 19:07:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 22:29:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published19/05/15 22:47:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 06:01:00 Dan Murphy
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 09:23:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 10:37:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 10:42:00 Paul Lund
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:08:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:55:00 Paul Lund
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 10:42:00 Loraine Pemberton
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:05:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 11:16:00 Claire Moran
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:17:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:27:00 Claire Moran
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:41:00 Stuart Kerr
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:43:00 Claire Moran
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:48:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:52:00 Claire Moran
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:55:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 15:58:00 Claire Moran
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:02:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:04:00 Dan Murphy
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:06:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:08:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 17:10:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:08:00 Dan Murphy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:10:00 Claire Moran
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 17:22:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published20/05/15 16:19:00 Claire Moran
                                                               Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:26:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                  Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:29:00 Claire Moran
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:36:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:49:00 Claire Moran
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 16:54:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:00:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:05:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:08:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:11:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:15:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:22:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:26:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:34:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 17:57:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 18:04:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 18:08:00 Claire Moran
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 18:15:00 Stuart Kerr
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 21:52:00 Will Watson
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 21:59:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:00:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:07:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:26:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:40:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 22:58:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....20/05/15 23:02:00 Pete Mayes
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:LOST DORIS....21/05/15 05:18:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 10:58:00 Charlotte Kasner
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 10:54:00 Charlotte Kasner
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 15:12:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 15:59:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:02:00 Will Watson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:05:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:08:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:11:00 Will Watson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:HSCIC latest dog bite stats published21/05/15 16:23:00 Pete Mayes
                                    Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 11:12:00 Felicity Caborn
                                       Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 17:52:00 Dan Murphy
                                          Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:20:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                             Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:30:00 Claire Moran
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:34:00 Claire Moran
                                             Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 18:53:00 Dan Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!22/05/15 19:29:00 Claire Moran
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!23/05/15 07:31:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!23/05/15 12:04:00 Paul Pryce
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!23/05/15 13:30:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!26/05/15 09:54:00 Charlotte Kasner
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!26/05/15 15:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!27/05/15 07:37:00 Felicity Caborn
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Dan Murphy - like a dog with a bone!27/05/15 10:23:00 Claire Moran
                                                                  Sorry Dan you might have missed my post27/05/15 15:13:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                     Re:Sorry Dan you might have missed my post27/05/15 15:20:00 Claire Moran
                                                                        Re:Re:Sorry Dan you might have missed my post27/05/15 15:21:00 Andrew Jones

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