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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus
Posted by: Thomas Barry
Date/Time: 25/04/15 09:48:00

""Angie Bray ... said that she and Mary Macleod had obtained a commitment that the Piccadilly line would stop at Turnham Green as soon as Crossrail was in place.""

Perhaps they know something we don't, like Crossrail being delayed to 2025?

Seriously, these people are either lying or stupid/desperate enough to believe what Boris and TfL say, which on many occasions is straightforward fiction. In this case it could be as simple as mishearing 'we'll start work when Crossrail's done' (which is probably about right, as if you start having big line closures you'll need Crossrail to take the overflow) as meaning that a complicated engineering project magically happens instantly, rather than over a period of several years.

Crossrail delivers through trains from Ealing and points west to the Central London tunnel in December 2019, but before we get a TG stop, as Richard says, we'll additionally need to watch for the following milestones:
- TfL finding the money from their existing government settlement, as central Government is not going to bail us out for TfL's screw up - Modern Railways suggests that this is done by pushing the start of the Deep Tube modernisation, which the Piccadilly is the first phase of, into the future and using the money freed up to pay for the 1.4bn overspend
- contract tender for Piccadilly signalling (it's far from clear if this is included in the District Line plan, although it must now use the same system from the same control centre in Hammersmith)
- contract tender for Piccadilly trains (all those lovely mock ups in the press are just for PR, there's no design or contract in place yet. London's not ordered a new Underground train since 2004).
- bids for each
- assessment of bids
- negotiations to try and bring the cost down
- contract awards
- development of signalling and trains - the former should be a straightforward build-on from the Northern Line system, but the latter will be wholly new and take a while - about five years from contract to rolling trains, based on Victoria Line experience.
- commissioning of signalling and trains
- (probably) Platform Edge Doors at all Piccadilly stations, which is far from easy, but you need them for driverless trains
- someone having the 'oh sh1t' moment when they realise the Night Tube plans mean you lose 2/7s of your working nights when you can install stuff, so everything takes longer.

All of which still screams '2025 at the earliest' and even then I wouldn't bet much money on it.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 12:09:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 14:10:00 Guy Lambert
      Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 14:29:00 Tim Henderson
      Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 14:35:00 Richard Jennings
      Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 14:56:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 16:02:00 C Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 16:07:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 16:09:00 C Wynne
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop01/01/14 23:57:00 Iain Muir
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop02/01/14 00:43:00 Jim Lawes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop02/01/14 08:51:00 Thomas Barry
                     TfL upgrade fiasco update02/01/14 08:56:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update03/01/14 16:27:00 Paul Corcoran
                           Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update03/01/14 17:09:00 Thomas Barry
                              Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 09:10:00 Anthony Letterese
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 10:40:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 15:03:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 16:13:00 Guy Lambert
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 16:36:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 18:18:00 Thomas Barry
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update06/01/14 09:28:00 Francis Rowe
                                       OJEU notice04/01/14 17:54:00 Thomas Barry
                                          Re:OJEU notice04/01/14 22:09:00 Richard Jennings
                                             Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 11:30:00 Patrick ONeill
                                             Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 13:39:00 Thomas Barry
                                                Re:Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 14:16:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 14:37:00 Thomas Barry
                                                      Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?06/01/14 17:06:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 09:21:00 Paul Pryce
                                                            Re:Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 10:10:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 10:56:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 11:28:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 13:30:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 11:40:00 Jeff Gear
                                                            Business Park Bridge07/01/14 12:05:00 Adam Bradley
                                                               Re:Business Park Bridge07/01/14 23:25:00 Jeff Gear
                                                                  Re:Re:Business Park Bridge08/01/14 15:09:00 Adam Bradley
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Business Park Bridge08/01/14 15:32:00 Jeff Gear
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Business Park Bridge30/09/16 14:28:00 Andy Brown
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Business Park Bridge30/09/16 15:35:00 Adam Bradley
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Business Park Bridge30/09/16 15:53:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 15:35:00 Richard Jennings
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 16:51:00 Thomas Barry
                                                      Local Conservatives confirm there is no change07/01/14 11:42:00 Patrick Barr
                                                         Local Conservatives confirm there is a vast bucket of spin07/01/14 13:11:00 Thomas Barry
                                                            Re:Local Conservatives confirm there is a vast bucket of spin07/01/14 13:58:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                               Re:Re:Local Conservatives confirm there is a vast bucket of spin07/01/14 15:20:00 Thomas Barry
                                                         The Mayor of London's office have confirmed there is no change07/01/14 14:14:00 Patrick Barr
                                                            Re:The Mayor of London's office have confirmed there is no change07/01/14 14:56:00 Will Watson
                                                               Re:Re:The Mayor of London's office have confirmed there is no change07/01/14 16:10:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                  Specifics please07/01/14 19:26:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                     Re:Specifics please07/01/14 23:59:00 Richard Cathcart
                                                                        Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 09:05:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                                     Re:Specifics please08/01/14 09:17:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                                        Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 13:58:00 Paul Pryce
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 15:49:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 16:00:00 Tom Pike
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 16:14:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 17:00:00 Tom Pike
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 17:09:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 19:07:00 Tom Pike
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please09/01/14 08:13:00 Paul Pryce
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please09/01/14 09:49:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please09/01/14 10:29:00 Paul Pryce
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please09/01/14 11:08:00 Tom Pike
                                                                     Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades23/04/15 12:15:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                        Re:Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades23/04/15 12:55:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           Re:Re:Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades23/04/15 17:07:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades24/04/15 12:47:00 Tony Buchanan
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades24/04/15 15:03:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop23/04/15 12:27:00 R Atterwill
      Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus24/04/15 10:19:00 Andrew OSullivan
         Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus24/04/15 11:27:00 Thomas Barry
            Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus24/04/15 11:52:00 Andrew OSullivan
               Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus24/04/15 12:50:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus24/04/15 18:39:00 Tony Buchanan
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus25/04/15 09:17:00 Anita Blake
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus25/04/15 09:28:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus25/04/15 09:48:00 Thomas Barry
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus25/04/15 10:21:00 R Atterwill
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus25/04/15 09:29:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 09:58:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 10:15:00 Pete Mayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 10:54:00 David McLoughlin
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 11:03:00 Francis Rowe
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 11:34:00 Pete Mayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 10:59:00 Richard Jennings
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 11:16:00 Francis Rowe
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 09:07:00 Paul Pryce
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 11:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 11:20:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 12:24:00 Paul Pryce
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 13:40:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 15:46:00 Paul Pryce
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 17:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 20:09:00 Thomas Barry
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 20:46:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus29/04/15 08:55:00 Francis Rowe
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus29/04/15 09:20:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus29/04/15 09:37:00 Thomas Barry
                                                               Piccadilly trains held at Acton Town29/04/15 11:24:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                  Re:Piccadilly trains held at Acton Town29/04/15 12:20:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                     Re:Re:Piccadilly trains held at Acton Town29/04/15 12:39:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                  Re:Piccadilly trains held at Acton Town29/04/15 13:20:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus29/04/15 09:28:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus29/04/15 09:42:00 Michael Robinson
                                          'Forced' my backside28/04/15 15:30:00 Thomas Barry
                                             District line contract awarded, scheduled for completion in 202303/08/15 11:41:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:District line contract awarded, scheduled for completion in 202303/08/15 12:29:00 Ken Munn
                                                   Re:Re:District line contract awarded, scheduled for completion in 202303/08/15 13:05:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:District line contract awarded, scheduled for completion in 202303/08/15 14:03:00 Ken Munn
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:District line contract awarded, scheduled for completion in 202303/08/15 16:58:00 Thomas Barry

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