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Topic: Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades
Posted by: Thomas Barry
Date/Time: 23/04/15 12:15:00

Bringing this one back partly to have a pop at Francis for having a pop at me, but mainly because the latest Modern Railways has an update on the whole Piccadilly/District debacle that makes my contributions back in January 2014 look positive.  Basically TfL have finally admitted to a huge overspend and delay on the District (etc.) resignalling and the consequence is that the Central, Bakerloo, Piccadilly and Waterloo and City upgrades are all being shunted back to free the cash up.  Indicative years *at the earliest* are now around 2022 for the District, 2025 for the Piccadilly stretching out to 2033 for the Waterloo and City.  A few short years ago the Piccadilly was 2014 and the District was 2018, so the slip is pretty bad.

One of the amusing results of this is that the trains already bought for the expanded service can't be used until the signalling is upgraded - we have exactly the same frequency, therefore, but with aircon (yay!) and fewer seats (boo!).  The latter does mean a bit more capacity, but it'll be swallowed well before 2022 by population growth along the route.

Below is the email summary of the article.  The last line is the bad news:
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"I have a soft spot for London Underground’s multiple attempts to re-signal  the  District, Circle, Metropolitan and Hammersmith & City lines.  It’s like one of those family sagas, where successive generations turn out to be ne’er-do-wells and each book ends with much angst and recrimination for the new generation to resolve in the next volume.

It’s meat and drink for a writer like me who takes the long view and likes to slap down attempts to airbrush out the embarrassing past.  As you can imagine I was in my element when, on 24 March, London Underground and the Mayor of London issued a press release headed ‘Plans to improve next four Tube lines confirmed’. 

Clearly aimed at the forthcoming election, as an exercise in cynical opportunism it would not have been out of place in Orwell’s 1984.  The best bit was how it boosted the still-to- be-signed contract to resignal the Sub-Surface Lines following the cancellation of the previous Bombardier contract on New Year’s Eve 2013.

According to the release  ‘the next major phase of the Underground's modernisation will see a new modern train control system introduced’ using an ‘even further improved version of the system built by Thales, now successfully operating on the Jubilee and Northern lines’. LU says that it is in ‘the final stages of negotiating a position with Thales’  Informed Sources suggest June for the new contract signing. 

Total cost of the SSL modernisation is now £5.54 billion which includes the fleet of 191 S-Stock trains. This is 30% more than the original budget authority, the increase covering ‘a more realistic price for the new signalling contract, a longer overall programme, and additional infrastructure works and costs.

As everyone in the industry, well outside LU, knew when Bombardier presented their revised schedule in 2012, the 2018 completion date was unattainable. LU now expects completion in 2022.

Of course the extra cost of the resignalling has to be funded and it looks as though LU will keep within its budget by deferring the start of Deep Tube modernisation work until the SSL modernisation is completed."


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 12:09:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 14:10:00 Guy Lambert
      Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 14:29:00 Tim Henderson
      Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 14:35:00 Richard Jennings
      Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 14:56:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 16:02:00 C Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 16:07:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop31/12/13 16:09:00 C Wynne
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop01/01/14 23:57:00 Iain Muir
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop02/01/14 00:43:00 Jim Lawes
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop02/01/14 08:51:00 Thomas Barry
                     TfL upgrade fiasco update02/01/14 08:56:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update03/01/14 16:27:00 Paul Corcoran
                           Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update03/01/14 17:09:00 Thomas Barry
                              Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 09:10:00 Anthony Letterese
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 10:40:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 15:03:00 Francis Rowe
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 16:13:00 Guy Lambert
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 16:36:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update04/01/14 18:18:00 Thomas Barry
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:TfL upgrade fiasco update06/01/14 09:28:00 Francis Rowe
                                       OJEU notice04/01/14 17:54:00 Thomas Barry
                                          Re:OJEU notice04/01/14 22:09:00 Richard Jennings
                                             Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 11:30:00 Patrick ONeill
                                             Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 13:39:00 Thomas Barry
                                                Re:Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 14:16:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 14:37:00 Thomas Barry
                                                      Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?06/01/14 17:06:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 09:21:00 Paul Pryce
                                                            Re:Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 10:10:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 10:56:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 11:28:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 13:30:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Piccadilly stop at Chiswick Park?07/01/14 11:40:00 Jeff Gear
                                                            Business Park Bridge07/01/14 12:05:00 Adam Bradley
                                                               Re:Business Park Bridge07/01/14 23:25:00 Jeff Gear
                                                                  Re:Re:Business Park Bridge08/01/14 15:09:00 Adam Bradley
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Business Park Bridge08/01/14 15:32:00 Jeff Gear
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Business Park Bridge30/09/16 14:28:00 Andy Brown
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Business Park Bridge30/09/16 15:35:00 Adam Bradley
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Business Park Bridge30/09/16 15:53:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 15:35:00 Richard Jennings
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:OJEU notice06/01/14 16:51:00 Thomas Barry
                                                      Local Conservatives confirm there is no change07/01/14 11:42:00 Patrick Barr
                                                         Local Conservatives confirm there is a vast bucket of spin07/01/14 13:11:00 Thomas Barry
                                                            Re:Local Conservatives confirm there is a vast bucket of spin07/01/14 13:58:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                               Re:Re:Local Conservatives confirm there is a vast bucket of spin07/01/14 15:20:00 Thomas Barry
                                                         The Mayor of London's office have confirmed there is no change07/01/14 14:14:00 Patrick Barr
                                                            Re:The Mayor of London's office have confirmed there is no change07/01/14 14:56:00 Will Watson
                                                               Re:Re:The Mayor of London's office have confirmed there is no change07/01/14 16:10:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                  Specifics please07/01/14 19:26:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                     Re:Specifics please07/01/14 23:59:00 Richard Cathcart
                                                                        Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 09:05:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                                     Re:Specifics please08/01/14 09:17:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                                        Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 13:58:00 Paul Pryce
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 15:49:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 16:00:00 Tom Pike
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 16:14:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 17:00:00 Tom Pike
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 17:09:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please08/01/14 19:07:00 Tom Pike
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please09/01/14 08:13:00 Paul Pryce
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please09/01/14 09:49:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please09/01/14 10:29:00 Paul Pryce
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Specifics please09/01/14 11:08:00 Tom Pike
                                                                     Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades23/04/15 12:15:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                        Re:Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades23/04/15 12:55:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                           Re:Re:Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades23/04/15 17:07:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades24/04/15 12:47:00 Tony Buchanan
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Update on the delayed District/Piccadilly upgrades24/04/15 15:03:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Bad news for Turnham Green Piccadilly stop23/04/15 12:27:00 R Atterwill
      Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus24/04/15 10:19:00 Andrew OSullivan
         Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus24/04/15 11:27:00 Thomas Barry
            Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus24/04/15 11:52:00 Andrew OSullivan
               Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus24/04/15 12:50:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus24/04/15 18:39:00 Tony Buchanan
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus25/04/15 09:17:00 Anita Blake
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus25/04/15 09:28:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus25/04/15 09:48:00 Thomas Barry
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus25/04/15 10:21:00 R Atterwill
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus25/04/15 09:29:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 09:58:00 Francis Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 10:15:00 Pete Mayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 10:54:00 David McLoughlin
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 11:03:00 Francis Rowe
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 11:34:00 Pete Mayes
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 10:59:00 Richard Jennings
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus27/04/15 11:16:00 Francis Rowe
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 09:07:00 Paul Pryce
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 11:02:00 Michael Robinson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 11:20:00 Michael Robinson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 12:24:00 Paul Pryce
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 13:40:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 15:46:00 Paul Pryce
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 17:04:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 20:09:00 Thomas Barry
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus28/04/15 20:46:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus29/04/15 08:55:00 Francis Rowe
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus29/04/15 09:20:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus29/04/15 09:37:00 Thomas Barry
                                                               Piccadilly trains held at Acton Town29/04/15 11:24:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                  Re:Piccadilly trains held at Acton Town29/04/15 12:20:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                     Re:Re:Piccadilly trains held at Acton Town29/04/15 12:39:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                  Re:Piccadilly trains held at Acton Town29/04/15 13:20:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus29/04/15 09:28:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Gunnersbury Overcrowding and the Sky Shuttle Bus29/04/15 09:42:00 Michael Robinson
                                          'Forced' my backside28/04/15 15:30:00 Thomas Barry
                                             District line contract awarded, scheduled for completion in 202303/08/15 11:41:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:District line contract awarded, scheduled for completion in 202303/08/15 12:29:00 Ken Munn
                                                   Re:Re:District line contract awarded, scheduled for completion in 202303/08/15 13:05:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:District line contract awarded, scheduled for completion in 202303/08/15 14:03:00 Ken Munn
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:District line contract awarded, scheduled for completion in 202303/08/15 16:58:00 Thomas Barry

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