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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Tips on avoiding fines
Posted by: Paul Pryce
Date/Time: 12/03/15 11:14:00

Andrew, making nuanced complex arguments on internet discussion forums only generates idiotic responses so give up now!

You are quite right of course to highlight the way our tax system is becoming more and more regressive. The increased reliance on VAT has hit lower income groups hardest because of their high marginal propensity to consume. This has been mitigated somewhat by increased personal allowances but increased local Government charges are effectively the same as more flat rates taxes that weigh most heavily on people with lower incomes. All Councils of all political hues have been putting up a range of charges for care, municipal facilities, meals-on-wheels and refuse collection.

I don't think that anybody sensible would dispute your point that PCNs will disproportionately affect the less well off but what could be questioned is whether they should be regarded as a form of taxation or a necessary measure to ensure orderly parking and the smooth running of public transport with the fines being largely discretionary because if you take care you can avoid them.

This argument could well be valid for much of the country but in Chiswick it clearly isn't. The parking report for Hounslow 2012/3 suggests there were 14,000 tickets issued on Chiswick High Road during the year has risen to 23,000 according to the latest report. This may not be a like for like comparison but only a fool would suggest that Chiswick High Road has become the nation's most fined road because it carries drivers who are uniquely neglectful of bus lane rules and parking regulations.

The fines are so high because it is policed in a way that is designed to maximise revenue not help buses run smoothly or provide ample parking for shoppers therefore they the Council are tax raising. The Byzantine nature of parking rules in Chiswick with differently defined bays, overlapping zones with different pricing and confusing signage makes it inevitable that many people will get tickets. The wardens target these points of confusion as opposed to genuinely problematic parking which is causing an obstruction.

The CCTV enforcement is also clearly revenue driven - how many people know before getting a PCN for unloading in a loading bay that only commercial vehicles are allowed to use them  in Hounslow. Do the businesses want the bays enforced this way - they don't. How many people know that stopping briefly in a taxi rank outside Turnham Green Station gets you a ticket until they receive the fine in the post? Have the cabbies asked for this measure to be enforced in this way - I doubt it.


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Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 09:07:00 Paul Brown
   Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 11:54:00 Francis Rowe
   Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 12:12:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 12:19:00 Francis Rowe
         Re:Re:Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 12:30:00 Adrian Irving
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 12:39:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 12:52:00 Adrian Irving
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 13:14:00 Adrian Irving
                     Progressive or Regressive Taxation?11/03/15 16:31:00 Andrew OSullivan
                        Re:Progressive or Regressive Taxation?11/03/15 16:59:00 Andy Pease
                           Re:Re:Progressive or Regressive Taxation?11/03/15 21:27:00 Marie Power
                        Re:Progressive or Regressive Taxation?11/03/15 17:27:00 Adrian Irving
                           Re:Re:Progressive or Regressive Taxation?11/03/15 17:35:00 Felicity Caborn
                              Re:Re:Re:Progressive or Regressive Taxation?11/03/15 17:38:00 Francis Rowe
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Progressive or Regressive Taxation?12/03/15 08:18:00 Felicity Caborn
                           Re:Re:Progressive or Regressive Taxation?11/03/15 17:37:00 Adrian Irving
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 12:47:00 Andy Pease
   Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 13:08:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 17:36:00 Jenn Irvine
         Re:Re:Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 17:40:00 Nigel Brooks
         Re:Re:Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 17:46:00 Francis Rowe
         Re:Re:Re:Chiswick High Road Fines Top One Million Pounds In A Year11/03/15 19:33:00 Thomas Barry
   Tips on avoiding fines11/03/15 19:35:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Tips on avoiding fines11/03/15 19:47:00 Andrew OSullivan
         Re:Re:Tips on avoiding fines11/03/15 20:02:00 Nigel Brooks
         Re:Re:Tips on avoiding fines11/03/15 20:13:00 Adrian Irving
            Re:Re:Re:Tips on avoiding fines12/03/15 11:14:00 Paul Pryce

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