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Topic: Re:Documentary: Destruction of the Twin Towers
Posted by: John Whitworth
Date/Time: 01/02/15 18:57:00

This 'documentary' is so chock-full of errors that I don't know where to start.

I would be surprised that this rubbish is still doing the rounds more than a decade after the events in question if I didn't know that it is being perpetuated by parties with an idealogical and/or financial motive for swindling gullible people.

MB:
"... a few small fires on a handful of the 110 floors could not destroy the towers in any event, never mind in seconds after an hour or so of localised fires."

This is a conspicuously bad straw man argument.

In reality, the WTC Towers were struck by fuel-laden aircraft travelling at high speed. The aircraft severed or damaged between 30 to 40 perimeter columns, penetrated the towers, and severed or damaged about 10 core columns. Impact debris stripped the fire protection from columns and floor trusses on the impact floors. Tens of thousands of litres of jet fuel exploded in a fireball blowing out windows and starting large fires instantaneously over wide areas on multiple floors. The fires raged uncontrolled for upwards of an hour. The heat of the fires weakened structural steel members causing sagging, buckling and creep. When the damaged towers could no longer support the gravity loads, they collapsed.

MB:
"Whilst all logical and rational thinking people unanimously agree that the video evidence proves that the towers were destroyed with weaponry..."

Poppycock.

Thousands of suitably qualified researchers who have studied these events in great detail would disagree. The evidence for this can be discovered in papers published by the Journal of Engineering Mechanics, the Member Journal of The Minerals, Metals & Materials Society, the Fire Safety Journal, the International Journal of Impact Engineering, the Journal of Structural Engineering, Advanced Materials & Processes, Engineering News Record, Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction, the Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities, the Proceedings of the Third Congress on Forensic Engineering, Fire and Materials, Fire Engineering, Physics Education, the Journal of Constructional Steel Research, the Proceedings of the Combustion Institute, the ASCE Specialty Conference: Designing Structures for Fire, the 4th European Conference on Steel and Composite Structures, the Proceedings of the International Congress on Fire Safety in Tall Buildings, and the Structural Design of Tall and Special Buildings.

And that's just for starters.

MB:
"The effects witnessed have been carried out in a laboratory prior, so are known, and can be repeated. Amateur scientist, John Hutchison, is known for carrying out such experiments, interacting radio waves and magnetic fields, with the effect known as the Hutchison effect."

The effect has never been replicated by others. Hutchison himself cannot reproduce it in the presence of unbiased observers. See the Hutchison hoax for further details.

MB:
"... Dr Wood calculates that a pancake collapse would have taken approximately 100 seconds."

Wood's calculations are fatally flawed by inexplicable assumptions (e.g. elastic collisions) and critical omissions (e.g. collection of mass). Here is an example of a simple, scientific calculation with links to more rigorous approaches:
The Towers' Collapse: Fast, But Not Freefall

MB:
"... hurricane (Erin), just to the East of Manhattan which was barely mentioned on the mainstream media weather forecasts (not at all by most), and not mentioned on the news at all, when normally an approaching hurricane is big news accompanied by warnings, but this was a secret hurricane or, at least, a hurricane that the authorities did not want attention brought to, for whatever reason."

That's not true.

The National Hurricane Center issued dozens of public advisories between the 1st and 15th of September:
NHC Advisory Archive

It was reported in the Los Angeles Times on the 4th of September:
Tropical Storm Erin Several Days From Land

It was reported on the CNN Evening News on the 9th of September:
CNN Evening News for Sunday, Sep 09, 2001

It was reported on USA Today on the 10th of September:
Hurricane Erin kicks up heavy surf along East Coast

It was reported on CNN.com early on the morning of 11th of September:
Weakening Hurricane Erin spawns strong waves along East Coast

MB:
"We know that hurricanes create magnetic fields, but did this hurricane play a part in the destruction of the World Trade Centre? We let you decide."

The only research I am aware of shows that the magnetic fields associated with hurricanes, while spatially large, are very weak. Magnetic flux densities of the order of 500 milligauss are typical. For comparison, the Earth's magnetic field (at its surface) ranges from 250 to 650 milligauss. Furthermore, Erin never got closer than several hundred miles from NYC. I would say that hurricane Erin had absolutely nothing to do with the events of 9/11.


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