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Topic: Re:So what happened?
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 29/01/15 11:28:00

In a nutshell

The Traffic Officers' flawed, biased, and misleading report and recommendations were roundly criticised by Councillor Oulds, he wanted the entire report disregarded. Unfortunately the general feeling from Councillors was "we are where we are", so it was allowed to stand. But it was clear that the Traffic Officers had worked hard to misrepresent the situation. They didn't get away with it.

There were the usual pleadings from Park & Staveley Road residents about "our life would be unbearable without our CPZ" and so Councillors voted to leave it in place. There was no real move to take it out, and that would have been too much to expect.

It was clear that Traffic Officers' biased "consultation" of the proposed 12 road extension was outrageously flawed, and so the Councillors did vote for the consultation to be redone, but this time including ALL of Grove Park, on the basis that everyone is affected, so everyone should be allowed to have their views heard. That was a positive result because it recognised that the "salami slicing" road by road approach of the Traffic Department is fatally flawed and not representative of the area wide views.

Traffic Officers did try to persuade Councillors that the two things should be done separately (presumably, consulting the roads that want a CPZ tomorrow, and consult everyone else in about 20 years time) but that was dismissed. Let's see  how it reads in the minutes.

One or two councillors complained that to consult with the whole area would be "a lot of hard work" but that was also dismissed because it is sort of, er, their job.

The meeting was not as well attended a it could have been, but judging from the loud applause after certain speakers, it was pretty clear hat the overwhelming views of "No CPZ" were very strong in the room.

The Councillors struggled quite hard on several occasions to cont how many of them (about ten) were actually voting for or against each motion, or abstaining. It did not give much confidence about their ability to manage an area wide consultation. Chairman Sam Hearn did point out quite sharply at one stage that the Traffic Officers' numbers simply didn't add up, so there was at least a nod to mathematical accuracy.

the large chart that Jonathan Knight produced was splendid and there were a lot of raised eyebrows and dropped jaws standing there looking at it. It showed a large detailed map of grove park with a red dot on every house (2,100) who voted against CPZ in the 2011 petition, and a yellow dot on the houses (158) who were in favour. That picture really was worth a thousand words and probably influenced the councillors in their decision to extend the consultation process to everyone in GP.


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         Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 26/01/15 17:03:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 07:52:00 James Holmes-Siedle
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 08:15:00 Colin Jordan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 08:19:00 Thomas Barry
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 08:24:00 James Holmes-Siedle
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 08:27:00 Brendan McCarthy
                  Alternatives to CPZ27/01/15 09:41:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Alternatives to CPZ27/01/15 11:10:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Alternatives to CPZ27/01/15 11:22:00 Brendan McCarthy
   Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 08:23:00 Sean Wales
      Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 09:00:00 Madeleine Hazard
         Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 11:28:00 Sean Wales
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 11:53:00 David Chivers
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 12:09:00 Colin Jordan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 12:38:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 13:06:00 Richard Greenhough
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 14:04:00 Dan Murphy
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 15:03:00 David Chivers
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 15:24:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 15:43:00 Brendan McCarthy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 15:33:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 15:46:00 Will Watson
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                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 27/01/15 20:33:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 05:52:00 Dan Murphy
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                              Re:Who commutes?28/01/15 09:40:00 Colin Jordan
                              Re:Who commutes?28/01/15 09:44:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 10:04:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 10:19:00 Marie Power
                                 Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 10:37:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                    Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 10:50:00 Dan Murphy
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 10:46:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 11:08:00 Marie Power
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 11:21:00 Dan Murphy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 11:29:00 M Patience
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 11:49:00 Dan Murphy
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 11:55:00 Marie Power
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Will Chiswick Councillors help Elmwood Road residents or kick their problem into the long grass? 28/01/15 12:02:00 Dan Murphy
                                          Re:Commuter Parking28/01/15 13:21:00 Richard Greenhough
                                             Re:Re:Commuter Parking28/01/15 13:45:00 Colin Jordan
                                             Re:Re:Commuter Parking28/01/15 14:17:00 Michael Robinson
                                                Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking28/01/15 14:37:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking28/01/15 15:08:00 Dan Murphy
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking28/01/15 15:43:00 Michael Robinson
                                                      So what happened?29/01/15 11:14:00 Sarah Benson
                                                         Re:So what happened?29/01/15 11:28:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:So what happened?29/01/15 11:44:00 Marie Power
                                                            This is what happened29/01/15 11:59:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                               Re:This is what happened29/01/15 12:26:00 John Hickman
                                                                  This is what happened29/01/15 12:36:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                               Re:This is what happened29/01/15 12:28:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                  Minutes29/01/15 12:34:00 Ken Munn
                                                                     Re:Minutes29/01/15 12:37:00 Dan Murphy
                                                               Re:This is what happened29/01/15 12:32:00 David Chivers
                                                                  Re:Re:This is what happened29/01/15 12:43:00 Dan Murphy
                                                               Re:Bad Neighbour Brendan29/01/15 13:23:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                  Re:Re:Bad Neighbour Brendan29/01/15 14:02:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                     We're all Brendan's neighbours29/01/15 14:43:00 Andy Murray
                                                                        Re:We're all Brendan's neighbours29/01/15 15:00:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                                           Re:Re:We're all Brendan's neighbours29/01/15 15:33:00 Andy Murray
                                                                        Re:We're all Brendan's neighbours29/01/15 16:24:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                           What Is And Ever Should Be29/01/15 16:36:00 Andy Murray
                                                                              Re:What Is And Ever Should Be29/01/15 16:58:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                                 Wheelie wheelie free29/01/15 17:02:00 Andy Murray
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking29/01/15 11:27:00 Ken Munn
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking29/01/15 13:20:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking29/01/15 13:55:00 Sam Hearn
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking29/01/15 14:19:00 David Chivers
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking29/01/15 14:24:00 Dan Murphy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking29/01/15 19:13:00 David Chivers
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking29/01/15 19:36:00 John Hickman
                                                                  Removal of the 'not in  2-roads only' CPZ policy29/01/15 19:59:00 Andy Murray
                                                                     Ah yes, I remember it well30/01/15 00:04:00 Sarah Benson
                                                                        Re:Ah yes, I remember it well30/01/15 02:36:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                                                           Re:Re:Ah yes, I remember it well30/01/15 07:28:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                           Re:Re:Ah yes, I remember it well30/01/15 09:49:00 Brendan McCarthy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking01/02/15 16:28:00 David Chivers
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Commuter Parking02/02/15 12:08:00 Dan Murphy

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