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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 22/01/15 07:56:00

@Pete Johnson:

"Well I for one can't wait to see the introduction of permit parking. I am sick of the dozens of cars rammed into every space around Strand On The Green"

Pete, of course that's your opinion. But just for the sake of balance here are the facts.

In 2011, an area wide doorstep petition visited over 2,000 homes in the GP/SOTG area, including (in SOTG) Geraldine, Hearne, Meade Close, Pyrmont, Spring Grove, SOTG, and Waldeck Road.

In those roads in SOTG, 169 homes answered the door and signed their names either for or against CPZ in the area.

Of the 169, 141 (83%) said they were against any CPZ in the area. 28 (17%) said they would be in favour.

So whilst you may be amongst the 17%, the vast majority of your neighbours were crystal clear that they do not want anything to do with CPZ. OK, this was 4 years ago, and things might have changed. So let's ask them, right?

All the individual names and addresses are available to scrutinize, in case you are interested in that. That's empirical evidence. Hard fact. Not opinion.

What is interesting is that the earlier LBH "consultation"  returned a result of 56% in favour of a CPZ for the same area. So what accounts for the huge disparity?

Well, LBH asked an initial question which was "Do you suffer any parking problems in your area?". A large number of people answered "NO" to that, and thereby did not answer the subsequent question which was "If you answered YES, would you be in favour of a CPZ to address the problems?"

All those who answered NO to the first question were simply discarded from the final count. Their responses were thrown in the bin. LBH only added up those responses which said YES, we have a problem with parking. And even amongst those, only 56% agreed with a CPZ as the solution!! If you added back in all those who said "NO we don't have a problem", LBH would have ended up with the same 83% against CPZ that the doorstep petition got. But that's what you can do if you're prepared to throw half the responses in the bin.

This is a typical example of how LBH Traffic Officers deliberately manipulate the results from such "consultations" in order to get the result they want. And then they publish those results saying "the majority of residents are in favour of a CPZ".

It's total crap, and deliberate rigging. You will notice that on more recent consultations, that first question "Do you have a problem parking in your road" has been left out. Of course it has.

The 6-month "consultation" on the Park and Staveley Road CPZ (to decide if it should be made permanent) ONLY asked residents in those two roads, who now enjoy living in virtually private roads. What response do you think they got? Did they ask any residents in all the neighbouring roads, who really are suffering from massive displacement out of Park & Staveley, what they think about it? Of course they didn't. They knew what answer they would get, so they just didn't ask them. If you are only going to consult with people that agree with you, of course you will always get the result you want. But that's not local democracy is it?

And the Traffic Officers don't just rely on rigging the numbers. In the recent consultation (completely unauthorised by our CAF, by the way) about extending the CPZ into a further 12 roads, they looked at which roads had applied for a one-road CPZ (as a result of the massive displacement from Park & Staveley Roads) and sent them all FREEPOST envelopes (paid for by all of us) to help them return their consultation documents quickly and easily. Why? because they had already indicated a likely positive response to a CPZ in their road.

What about all the neighbouring roads, who would immediately be impacted by further displacement? They were also entitled to have their views heard, but LBH did not tell them anything about it. They certainly did not send them FREEPOST envelopes to make it easy. No, all those residents had to find out about the consultation by accident here on the forum, and then pay their own postage to have their views heard. Think about that, and make up your own mind.

Please, please, can as many of you come along to the CAF meeting on January 28th (Elmwood Road church hall) and make your views heard. If you don't, the small minority of vociferous pro-CPZers will shout down the meeting and ensure that the councillors only hear their view. And if the CAF votes through the extension, that will be it for GP/SOTG, it will be a CPZ for all.

So those amongst you who are in the overwhelming majority against any CPZ, please please come and have your voice heard. It's just one meeting, one evening. But it will make a difference. If you don't show up, your voice will not be heard.


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      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 13:59:00 Guy Lambert
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      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 11:58:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 13:05:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 13:59:00 Lou Valdini
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 14:18:00 Colin Jordan
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 14:27:00 Teresa Qureshi
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 21:48:00 Madeleine Hazard
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 05:19:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.20/01/15 22:44:00 Madeleine Hazard
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 10:54:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 11:01:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 11:17:00 Paul Allen
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 14:35:00 Robert Fish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 14:49:00 Ken Munn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 17:02:00 Paul Allen
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 17:08:00 Robert Fish
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 17:36:00 Andy Pease
                     Re:Middlesex19/01/15 19:21:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Middlesex19/01/15 19:55:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:Re:Middlesex21/01/15 00:17:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Re:Middlesex21/01/15 10:04:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Middlesex21/01/15 10:18:00 Ken Munn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Middlesex21/01/15 14:04:00 Bob Guyett
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Middlesex21/01/15 14:35:00 Ken Munn
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 14:19:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 14:47:00 Elizabeth Ross
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 15:00:00 Andy Pease
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 15:19:00 Pete Johnson
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 15:52:00 Phil Kay
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 16:29:00 Pete Johnson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 16:53:00 Phil Kay
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 01:45:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 03:15:00 Allan Cheesman
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 07:20:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 07:56:00 Dan Murphy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 07:44:00 Ken Munn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 08:10:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 08:55:00 Pete Johnson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:11:00 Dan Murphy
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:28:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:29:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:31:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:34:00 Madeleine Hazard
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:29:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:41:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 11:51:00 Anne Meagher
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 12:23:00 Dan Murphy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 13:40:00 Anne Meagher
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 13:54:00 Dan Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:07:00 Anne Meagher
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:17:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:26:00 Anne Meagher
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:42:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 15:21:00 Anne Meagher
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 15:34:00 Dan Murphy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 12:27:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 13:42:00 Anne Meagher
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:16:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:20:00 Anne Meagher
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:28:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 12:20:00 Allan Cheesman
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 12:30:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 12:36:00 Dan Murphy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:17:00 Colin Jordan
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:22:00 Dan Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:29:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:55:00 Pete Johnson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:59:00 Dan Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 15:21:00 Allan Cheesman
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 15:32:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 21:35:00 Allan Cheesman
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 18:37:00 Charles Mendez
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 18:56:00 Andy Pease
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.23/01/15 07:31:00 Dan Murphy
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.23/01/15 07:20:00 Dan Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.23/01/15 08:22:00 Colin Jordan
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.23/01/15 09:46:00 Richard Greenhough

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