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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 19/01/15 05:19:00

The 2-road CPZ in Park and Staveley Roads was predicated on one reason only, and that was the false theory of "massive displacement from Chiswick House Car Park".

Cllr Mayne's theory, based on zero evidence, was that when charging was introduced into the car park, "massive" numbers of commuters who parked in the car park for free would suddenly displace into those two roads.

This was the ONLY reason the CPZ was introduced. everybody knew it was totally false then, and it ha since proven to be totally false (there has been no displacement of commuter cars because there never were any commuter cars).

Cllr Maybe refused dozens of requests to carry out proper research (counting cars) before introducing his CPZ.

No other reasons or arguments were admissible for that CPZ because our Area Forum had voted unanimously in 2011 against any CPZ in Grove park or SOTG, following the overwhelming response against CPZ to the various consultation and the area wide doorstep petition.

Cllr Mayne presented that petition to the council in July 2011 and when the unanimous vote was passed, he said "this matter has now been resolved once and for all". 4 months later he began the process of his single member decision to get the 2-road CPZ implemented. He's a politician.

That vote considered ALL arguments for and against CPZ, and dismissed all the pro-CPZ arguments. Thus, only if a previously unrecognized factor could be presented (such as car park displacement) could the CPZ question be reopened.

Some of the residents in Park Road did put forward various spurious arguments to support their case, but they were just emotional self serving rants. Like the "road safety" one (white vans screaming down Park Road, it's only a matter of time before old ladies and children are killed, only a CPZ can save us..."

Remarkably, LBH Traffic did actually carry out some research on that one and found Park Road to be the safest road on W4, with low traffic speeds and virtually no reported accidents in 5 years. So the Park Road residents had to shut up about that one.

Today, if you walk down Park or Staveley Road on any weekday, you will find the roads virtually empty of cars whilst all the residents' cars are parked in their own private driveways. This was always going to be the outcome of that CPZ as 80% of residents on those roads have their own driveways. They never needed to park on the road, and they never needed a CPZ. the effect has been to turn those two roads into private roads whilst all their neighbours now have to cope with increased parking displacement.

Only a small proportion of residents in those roads have actually paid for a CPZ parking permit. Why should they? They park in their driveways.

Please come to the public meeting on January 28th and make your views known.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 11:05:00 Charles Mendez
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 11:32:00 Iris Hill
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 12:00:00 Sam Hearn
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 12:02:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 12:50:00 Carl Wynne
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 12:51:00 Nigel Brooks
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 13:00:00 Elizabeth Ross
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 13:23:00 Madeleine Hazard
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 13:59:00 Guy Lambert
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 10:57:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 11:58:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 13:05:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 13:59:00 Lou Valdini
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 14:18:00 Colin Jordan
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 14:27:00 Teresa Qureshi
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.18/01/15 21:48:00 Madeleine Hazard
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 05:19:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.20/01/15 22:44:00 Madeleine Hazard
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 10:54:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 11:01:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 11:17:00 Paul Allen
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 14:35:00 Robert Fish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 14:49:00 Ken Munn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 17:02:00 Paul Allen
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 17:08:00 Robert Fish
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.19/01/15 17:36:00 Andy Pease
                     Re:Middlesex19/01/15 19:21:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Middlesex19/01/15 19:55:00 Richard Jennings
                           Re:Re:Re:Middlesex21/01/15 00:17:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Re:Middlesex21/01/15 10:04:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Middlesex21/01/15 10:18:00 Ken Munn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Middlesex21/01/15 14:04:00 Bob Guyett
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Middlesex21/01/15 14:35:00 Ken Munn
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 14:19:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 14:47:00 Elizabeth Ross
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 15:00:00 Andy Pease
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 15:19:00 Pete Johnson
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 15:52:00 Phil Kay
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 16:29:00 Pete Johnson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.21/01/15 16:53:00 Phil Kay
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 01:45:00 Madeleine Hazard
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 03:15:00 Allan Cheesman
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 07:20:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 07:56:00 Dan Murphy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 07:44:00 Ken Munn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 08:10:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 08:55:00 Pete Johnson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:11:00 Dan Murphy
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:28:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:29:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:31:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:34:00 Madeleine Hazard
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:29:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 09:41:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 11:51:00 Anne Meagher
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 12:23:00 Dan Murphy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 13:40:00 Anne Meagher
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 13:54:00 Dan Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:07:00 Anne Meagher
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:17:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:26:00 Anne Meagher
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:42:00 Dan Murphy
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 15:21:00 Anne Meagher
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 15:34:00 Dan Murphy
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 12:27:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 13:42:00 Anne Meagher
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:16:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:20:00 Anne Meagher
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:28:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 12:20:00 Allan Cheesman
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 12:30:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 12:36:00 Dan Murphy
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:17:00 Colin Jordan
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:22:00 Dan Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:29:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:55:00 Pete Johnson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 14:59:00 Dan Murphy
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 15:21:00 Allan Cheesman
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 15:32:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 21:35:00 Allan Cheesman
   Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 18:37:00 Charles Mendez
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.22/01/15 18:56:00 Andy Pease
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.23/01/15 07:31:00 Dan Murphy
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.23/01/15 07:20:00 Dan Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.23/01/15 08:22:00 Colin Jordan
      Re:Re:Grove Park-wherever you feel like it.23/01/15 09:46:00 Richard Greenhough

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