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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 01/10/14 13:21:00

Janine, yes it's annoying. But in reality it's a tiny problem. There may be a few long term parkers here and there and if they are right outside your house it's a real pain. But it's not a significant enough problem to turn a 93% vote against CPZ on its head. It's just one of those things, like dog crap and blocked gutters.

The other important thing to say about this (before one of the Park Road-ers comes on and pompously points it out) is that this is not about "if we want CPZ in our road what's it got to do with you?".

It was always predicted, and now we see it happening extremely fast, that a CPZ in one or two roads would inevitably lead to a creeping CPZ across the entire area as displacement made life unbearable for residents in adjacent roads. Of course we are now seeing this, it was always inevitable. And LBH traffic department are moving like lightning to make sure it all gets pushed through before anyone has time to work out what's going on.  Many of you in the roads now appealing for single-road CPZs will have received your consultation documents yesterday. None of this should be happening before the original 2-Road CPZ has been through the 6-month consultation process. But LBH don't care about procedure, they just want to get CPZ rolled out as fast as possible before anyone has the chance to do anything about it.

So a CPZ in one or two roads absolutely affects ALL OF US. This is why we should ALL BE CONSULTED on any future CPZ extensions.

But LBH have learned their lesson. When they considered the entire Grove Park area in 2011, they soon found out that 93% of us are against any CPZ. So they won't make that silly mistake again. They are now only consulting on a road by road basis, to ensure they get the right result. So in the consultation regarding the Park and Staveley Road CPZ, they are asking if residents are happy with how it has gone for the last 6 months, and should it be made permanent. They are asking residents in those two roads who now enjoy a virtually private road. What do you think they will say? And are they asking the residents in nearby roads who are now jam packed with the 150-250 cars displaced by the CPZ? No they are not. They don't want any pesky people saying NO.

And what about all those individual roads now asking for "their own" CPZ? They are only consulting with residents in those specific roads. Are they asking all the other Grove Park residents who will inevitably be affected by this? No they are not. Why not? because they only want to ask people who are likely to say YES.

This is democracy?

Don't make me laugh. It's all too depressing.

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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Expanded CPZ30/09/14 18:00:00 John Hickman
   Re:Expanded CPZ30/09/14 18:15:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ30/09/14 18:21:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ30/09/14 18:25:00 Michael Brown
   Re:Expanded CPZ30/09/14 18:25:00 Caroline J Simonds
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ30/09/14 21:24:00 Marjan Lee
   Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 07:14:00 Brendan McCarthy
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 07:43:00 Russell Pearson
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 07:48:00 Susan Jennifer Thackray
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 08:51:00 Colin Jordan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 09:37:00 Paul Allen
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 09:54:00 Sam Reardon Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 10:58:00 Janine Jarvis
                     Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 11:43:00 Paul Allen
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 12:20:00 Dan Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 12:39:00 Trudie Fuller
         Note to Dan01/10/14 14:24:00 Brendan McCarthy
            Re:Note to Dan01/10/14 14:29:00 Dan Murphy
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 12:42:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 13:06:00 Janine Jarvis
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 13:21:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 13:23:00 Trudie Fuller
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 13:42:00 Trudie Fuller
   Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:04:00 David Chivers
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:08:00 Paul Allen
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:17:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:23:00 David Chivers
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:30:00 John Hickman
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:07:00 David Chivers
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:18:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:32:00 Trudie Fuller
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:30:00 Dan Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:46:00 Lucy Dunkerley
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:53:00 Dan Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:06:00 Trudie Fuller
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:07:00 Janine Jarvis
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:21:00 Paul Allen
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:26:00 Dan Murphy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:27:00 Russell Pearson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:29:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:33:00 Paul Allen
                              Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:44:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:38:00 Loraine Pemberton
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:47:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 16:19:00 Paul Allen
                                 Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 17:05:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 17:13:00 Ray White
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 18:09:00 Trudie Fuller
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 18:37:00 John Hickman
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 18:10:00 Caroline J Simonds
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 19:43:00 Sam Reardon Smith
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 19:51:00 Ray White
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 20:22:00 Trudie Fuller
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 20:56:00 Tanya Baker
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 21:12:00 Andy Pease
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 22:32:00 Lucy Dunkerley
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 07:27:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                  DAN, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU.03/10/14 09:29:00 Andy Pease
                                                                     Re:DAN, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU.03/10/14 09:45:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                        Re:Re:DAN, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU.03/10/14 09:52:00 Dan Murphy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 07:45:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 09:02:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 09:41:00 Andy Pease
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 10:46:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 13:08:00 Andy Pease
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 14:28:00 David Chivers
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 17:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 09:42:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 21:14:00 Caroline J Simonds
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 21:52:00 bobby osborne
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 23:41:00 Paul Allen
                                                            The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 13:38:00 Sam Reardon Smith
                                                               Re:The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 13:45:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                  Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 14:36:00 Russell Pearson
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 18:41:00 David Chivers
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 21:51:00 Della Bramley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 23:03:00 Patrick N OConnor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 07:36:00 Paul Pryce
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 09:17:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 14:34:00 Caroline J Simonds
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 14:54:00 John Hickman
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 18:37:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 19:12:00 Andy Pease
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 20:01:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 22:18:00 Dan Murphy
   Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 09:30:00 Stephan Deare-Bilham
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 09:57:00 Dan Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 10:41:00 Lou Valdini
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 16:25:00 David Chivers
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 16:52:00 Brian Coyle
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 17:20:00 Trudie Fuller
               Expanded CPZ @ David Chivers05/10/14 18:49:00 Owen Highley
                  Re:Expanded CPZ @ Owen05/10/14 19:47:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Expanded CPZ @ Owen06/10/14 09:32:00 Trudie Fuller
                        Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ @ Owen06/10/14 09:46:00 Sam Hearn
                  Re:Expanded CPZ @ David Chivers06/10/14 09:45:00 Dan Murphy
                     Re:Re:Expanded CPZ @ David Chivers06/10/14 09:52:00 Sam Hearn
                        Re:LBH CPZ Policy Change06/10/14 10:40:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:LBH CPZ Policy Change06/10/14 11:47:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:LBH CPZ Policy Change06/10/14 13:39:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:LBH CPZ Policy Change07/10/14 12:34:00 Caroline J Simonds
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:29:00 Caroline J Simonds
   Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 11:52:00 Helen Maitland
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:21:00 Dan Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:29:00 Maggie Dodge
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:40:00 Dan Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:43:00 Marjan Lee
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:48:00 Dan Murphy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:53:00 Marjan Lee
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ07/10/14 12:52:00 Trudie Fuller
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ07/10/14 12:58:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ07/10/14 16:47:00 Caroline J Simonds
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ07/10/14 17:10:00 Dan Murphy

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