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Topic: Re:Re:Expanded CPZ
Posted by: Dan Murphy
Date/Time: 01/10/14 12:20:00

Brendan

"I don't get the argument that a consultation should be held throughout Grove Park"

So what? Maybe quite a few people don't get it. But in July 2011 our elected councilors did get it. They received the local doorstep petition which clearly showed that 93.6% of ALL Grove park residents wanted NO CPZ anywhere. And they voted unanimously at that meeting that there would not be any CPZ in Grove Park, reflecting the overwhelming majority of residents' wishes. And by the way, that petition was sponsored to the council meeting by our very own Cllr. Ed Mayne, who at that meeting stated "this issue is now resolved once and for all". You can still see his words on the LBH website in the minutes from that meeting. Empty words.

"These consultations are only happening because many people have changed their mind about a CPZ".

Perhaps, perhaps not. Of course, the people living in the roads adjacent to park and Staveley Roads now have an extra 150-200 cars crowding into their roads as a result of displacement caused by the CPZ. Someone else has rightly pointed out that Park Road is now almost empty during the week (I have seen it myself, I have photos taken from one end of Park Road to the other with hardly 10 cars in sight).

So it's a bit tricky to say "people have changed their mind about CPZ". Most people are happy with the gun laws we have in this country, but if someone let loose a few dozen wild tigers in West London, you might find that people "change their minds" about owning guns. You make it sound as though people have finally come to their senses, that is not the case at all. People in the roads now asking for CPZ previously wanted nothing to do with it. It's just that circumstances have changed as a result of the 2-road CPZ and so what else can they do?

"as for the argument about spaces on Park Road, they are eloquent evidence for the fact that so much parking there was by commuters."

What everyone seems to forget is that Cllr Mayne forced the issue of CPZ in Park Road on the sole basis of displacement from Chiswick House. Not because too many commuters park in Park Road, or any other reason. All those spurious (and many blatantly false) reasons had already been argued and dismissed at that council meeting in July 2011.

The ONLY REASON Ed Mayne was allowed to force the CPZ issue was because of a "new and previously unknown" factor, i.e. the chiswick house car park displacement.

Of course we all knew at the time it was total BS, and you are confirming it now when you talk about general commuter parking in Park Road. That is NOT the reason the CPZ was forced in, even though we all know it was the real reason. And as and others have pointed out here before, so that one's grown up children do not have to park too far away from mum & dads house.

80% of residents in Park Road have off road parking. You don't need on road parking anyway. This is why the road is now almost entirely empty for long stretches of time during the week, it's because you got rid of all the "oiks" parking in your road even though you don't need to park there yourselves. What a travesty of local community consideration.

And now you say that Park Road is now much more like it used to be 25 years ago, with no cars. WELL BULLY FOR YOU. have you seen the depressing result you have created for all those unfortunate enough to live anywhere near you?

Your email is toe curlingly self congratulatory. It's just such a shame that you managed to find a way of completely ignoring the local democratic process to force this result through for yourselves.

And now we have the unseemly situation where individual roads are being forced to apply for their own CPZ out of sheer desperation, and in the process creating yet more conflict between neighbours.

It's a disgraceful episode and a travesty of any local democracy. It's not what 93% of local residents wanted but so what as long as you can park outside your front door?





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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Expanded CPZ30/09/14 18:00:00 John Hickman
   Re:Expanded CPZ30/09/14 18:15:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ30/09/14 18:21:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ30/09/14 18:25:00 Michael Brown
   Re:Expanded CPZ30/09/14 18:25:00 Caroline J Simonds
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ30/09/14 21:24:00 Marjan Lee
   Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 07:14:00 Brendan McCarthy
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 07:43:00 Russell Pearson
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 07:48:00 Susan Jennifer Thackray
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 08:51:00 Colin Jordan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 09:37:00 Paul Allen
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 09:54:00 Sam Reardon Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 10:58:00 Janine Jarvis
                     Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 11:43:00 Paul Allen
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 12:20:00 Dan Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 12:39:00 Trudie Fuller
         Note to Dan01/10/14 14:24:00 Brendan McCarthy
            Re:Note to Dan01/10/14 14:29:00 Dan Murphy
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 12:42:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 13:06:00 Janine Jarvis
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 13:21:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 13:23:00 Trudie Fuller
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 13:42:00 Trudie Fuller
   Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:04:00 David Chivers
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:08:00 Paul Allen
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:17:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:23:00 David Chivers
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:30:00 John Hickman
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:07:00 David Chivers
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:18:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:32:00 Trudie Fuller
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:30:00 Dan Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:46:00 Lucy Dunkerley
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 14:53:00 Dan Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:06:00 Trudie Fuller
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:07:00 Janine Jarvis
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:21:00 Paul Allen
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:26:00 Dan Murphy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:27:00 Russell Pearson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:29:00 Dan Murphy
                           Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:33:00 Paul Allen
                              Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:44:00 Dan Murphy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:38:00 Loraine Pemberton
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 15:47:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 16:19:00 Paul Allen
                                 Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 17:05:00 Dan Murphy
                                    Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 17:13:00 Ray White
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 18:09:00 Trudie Fuller
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ01/10/14 18:37:00 John Hickman
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 18:10:00 Caroline J Simonds
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 19:43:00 Sam Reardon Smith
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 19:51:00 Ray White
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 20:22:00 Trudie Fuller
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 20:56:00 Tanya Baker
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 21:12:00 Andy Pease
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 22:32:00 Lucy Dunkerley
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 07:27:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                  DAN, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU.03/10/14 09:29:00 Andy Pease
                                                                     Re:DAN, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU.03/10/14 09:45:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                        Re:Re:DAN, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU.03/10/14 09:52:00 Dan Murphy
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 07:45:00 Madeleine Hazard
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 09:02:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 09:41:00 Andy Pease
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 10:46:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 13:08:00 Andy Pease
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 14:28:00 David Chivers
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 17:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ03/10/14 09:42:00 Dan Murphy
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 21:14:00 Caroline J Simonds
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 21:52:00 bobby osborne
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ02/10/14 23:41:00 Paul Allen
                                                            The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 13:38:00 Sam Reardon Smith
                                                               Re:The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 13:45:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                  Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 14:36:00 Russell Pearson
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 18:41:00 David Chivers
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 21:51:00 Della Bramley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation03/10/14 23:03:00 Patrick N OConnor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 07:36:00 Paul Pryce
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 09:17:00 Dan Murphy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 14:34:00 Caroline J Simonds
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 14:54:00 John Hickman
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 18:37:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 19:12:00 Andy Pease
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 20:01:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The council's reason for their new consultation04/10/14 22:18:00 Dan Murphy
   Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 09:30:00 Stephan Deare-Bilham
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 09:57:00 Dan Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 10:41:00 Lou Valdini
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 16:25:00 David Chivers
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 16:52:00 Brian Coyle
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ05/10/14 17:20:00 Trudie Fuller
               Expanded CPZ @ David Chivers05/10/14 18:49:00 Owen Highley
                  Re:Expanded CPZ @ Owen05/10/14 19:47:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Expanded CPZ @ Owen06/10/14 09:32:00 Trudie Fuller
                        Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ @ Owen06/10/14 09:46:00 Sam Hearn
                  Re:Expanded CPZ @ David Chivers06/10/14 09:45:00 Dan Murphy
                     Re:Re:Expanded CPZ @ David Chivers06/10/14 09:52:00 Sam Hearn
                        Re:LBH CPZ Policy Change06/10/14 10:40:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:LBH CPZ Policy Change06/10/14 11:47:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:LBH CPZ Policy Change06/10/14 13:39:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:LBH CPZ Policy Change07/10/14 12:34:00 Caroline J Simonds
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:29:00 Caroline J Simonds
   Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 11:52:00 Helen Maitland
      Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:21:00 Dan Murphy
         Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:29:00 Maggie Dodge
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:40:00 Dan Murphy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:43:00 Marjan Lee
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:48:00 Dan Murphy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ06/10/14 12:53:00 Marjan Lee
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ07/10/14 12:52:00 Trudie Fuller
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ07/10/14 12:58:00 Dan Murphy
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ07/10/14 16:47:00 Caroline J Simonds
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Expanded CPZ07/10/14 17:10:00 Dan Murphy

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